The A.L.L. Podcast Episode 7: Let's Talk Gut Health

welcome to the all podcast we're the Academy of logic and light I'm Megan I'm cat I'm Julie we are an ethical Community Education platform that provides a safe space for people to practice their spirituality without indoctrination welcome everyone for another episode of the all podcast today myself Megan cat oh other side and Julie are here and we're joined with uh by Emily Davis who we're so excited to get this opportunity um to have you I mean to be able to do this interview and get a podcast put together but I'm also so excited that you're going to be teaching with us but Emily do you want to go ahead and introduce yourself a little bit to the audience let them know what you do and a little bit of your background yeah sure thanks for having me um so like uh Megan said my name is Emily Davis I am a holistic uh nutritionist that specializes in gut health and I've been in practice for about six years uh really focusing on gut health for about four and um yeah I'm I'm excited to be here and talk a little bit more about that awesome Emily I love so much focus on gut health cuz I feel like so often um I just love the phrase like trust your gut right is something that so many people are told and you know I feel like in order to really find the trust in your gut like you got to help take care of it I'd love to hear more about kind of your the way that our gut is connected to you know our system and the kind of influence it can have in those ways it yeah it's a really big topic honestly right and we it's a feel that we're constantly learning more about I feel like every day um so what I mean by that is you know we learn more about maybe which back specific bacteria how they how they influence either uh positively or negatively uh depending what they are and how they influence each other and then also all the different ways that um our the health of our gut impacts other body systems and organs and our health in general so it like it's really a big broad topic um it's fascinating uh to me anyway um and I do love that it's becoming something that more and more people are at least like aware of um especially in like the Mental Health Community uh with that gut brain connection which is a little bit what you alluded to with the trust your gut so yeah we have these colloquial uh phrases right that we know and use and kind of talk about and it's it's absolutely talking about that connection of the gut with like I say so many other parts of who we are um including our brain but um um I'm trying to even think like what your what Your specific question was and maybe it was just like say more but um yeah it just there there's a lot to say there's there's a lot to it and you know just to kind of put out there um there's lot different people focusing on different parts and what I do in my program um is I focus on digestion and autoimmunity mental health and skin health and there are other things like I could focus on right but like that seems to be kind of the story for a lot of my clients the overlap of those uh symptoms and um yeah symptoms and health issues so that's yeah that's what I focus on did I even answer your question yes no I loved it diving in more into what you're focused on okay yeah that's wonderful Emily can I ask as much as you're comfortable sharing with us how your journey into nutrition and specifically gut health started sure sure yeah I I think my journey um more into I would say like holistic medicine uh functional medicine whatever term we we like to use it overlap for me my journey into like being a holistic nutritionist um and practitioner started with my own health issues like a lot of people I feel like in this space where we find um the conventional medical world lacking in some way and we're looking for answers right somewhere and and so it's usually in some other alternative treatment modality whatever so yeah I mean I don't I'm I don't mind sharing I don't know that it matters either but yeah I mean that that's my journey is um I had uh Epstein bar viral infection and so what you know there are listeners that aren't super familiar uh what that looks like is like we'll get mono people get mono that's the Epstein bar virus and so that's the kissing disease as it's known like a lot of teenagers will get it or young adults um and it's called that because it is so contagious and gets passed through saliva um but it's you know if anyone has ever had Mono you know that it's just really extreme fatigue um and a lot of people have to really like take a time out and sometimes it's pretty extreme so I got mono in like my mid-30s um and then it just never went away so I had uh you know what we describe as like a chronic Epstein bar virus uh an infection and and so similar symptoms like it just it's very can be very debilitating just exhausting um and there's nothing uh that the conventional medical world can do for it uh it's a virus and so no no real treatment there you know it's not an antibiotic that you take it's not there's literally uh my my doctor was a good doctor and I know that um but nothing nothing he could do um so that was my right that was the like okay well like that's not a good answer there's got to be something we can do and so yeah I mean that's what led me kind of uh down the path of finding other answers and solutions and trying to get well and um along that journey I knew I was already interested in nutrition and one of the naturopathic doctors that I was working with um she introduced me to her Alma moer which is a natural medicine University in Portland and they had recently opened up a nutrition program they their holistic nutrition programs are very hard to find um and I yeah I was searching for one um there's a lot of certificate kind of programs out there and I knew I that wasn't like not that I don't want like it wasn't I was about to say it wasn't good enough for me because like I knew I wanted I wanted more I wanted a deeper larger bigger kind of education um and so they yeah those kind of programs are hard to find um and so yeah anyway like that's what led me into the master's program that I found and um getting that degree and and then the the gut health honestly sort of by accident um um I started the first couple years in practice I I I don't remember why but I ordered like a stool test for one client I just I kind of remember you know realizing that I could as I explain it to potential clients I could get such better outcomes for my clients when I had that extra piece of information and so as I remember I just like I started doing like all right a test with this client and then I did one more and one more and and I just like I said kind of I realized that this was just really helpful information um and 98% of what I find in that test is something that I can do something about like you know it's within my scope of practice to treat all of those things herbally and naturally and then also because of my nutrition degree I think I can help people in a way with their food uh where other practitioners just don't have that education and don't have kind of that perspective and I was and I'm finding you know over the years that other even if other practitioners are addressing the gut they're not addressing nutrition and you can't heal the gut without changing your diet in some you just can't so that that's where I feel like nutrition gut health like really sort of come together for me anyway that's that's my journey that's how I got here um yeah thank you what would you say if someone's starting their Journey on gut health for the very first time and don't know anything what's like the first you would recommend for someone to start with I always recommend people start with a stool test yeah is that something you could just do online or do you have to go to a doctor for that you have to go to a doctor which which I'm happy about it's it's a medical test and so just like you can't order your own blood work um because the information that comes back from say a blood panel or a stool test or a lot of other test um they're potentially really serious things and you want to be working with someone who knows how to to treat and take care of those things yeah so I'm actually I'm actually happy about that that like you know someone does need to work with a practitioner would it be a primary care practitioner or I mean yeah test yes okay yeah it's part of my program yeah so we start with the stool test and regardless of where someone's at I mean someone might you know to your question and point of like someone might be kind of in the middle of maybe some sort of Health journey and gut health is like maybe the last thing that they think of because they've tried every a lot of times that is what happens like they've done all the other tests um now let's look at the gut so sometimes they're in the middle of a health Journey uh even if they're beginning like to me it doesn't really matter I I always start with a stool test and and just kind of work from there primary care physician a PCP is is not again it's like it's part of like the convention medical system and they're not trained to really be thinking about or order those tests or even know how to treat in my experience yeah yeah good it's a good question yeah and like what maybe like I'm just here like what's something that could come up I guess on a stool test does it show you like how bad someone's been eating like if they've been eating Cheetos all week um it's okay yeah so so this there there are several different Labs um that have what I so I call it a a comprehensive stool panel and so what I mean by that is if anyone has had a stool test before let's say with their PCP or from a GI doc um then they're usually looking for like one thing so that's that's the difference too is like it's not that like no one in the conventional medical system like would be ordering a stol test but they're they're looking for like one thing and the test that I use and there are a couple of other labs and tests that are comprehensive so what I mean by that is like it's five pages of information and so to answer your question um I mean I I don't I'm not going to know that they're eating Cheetos all week but I I can look and see that like things are not working well um right and one of let's let's just say like one of like the more serious things that could come back is a parasite is an ecoli infection is a Giardia infection right like so it's testing for those more serious kinds of what we call pathogenic type things so pathogens or things that cause disease um and then there's all kinds of other information that give me a really good idea of just like the overall health and function of someone's gut uh including how well they're digesting food if they're reacting to gluten do they have leaky gut right so it's it's all of these things so hopefully that answers your question yeah so interesting five pages wow so interesting yeah I'm like very green to all of this I mean I try to eat healthy like a well balanced diet I know is important protein um those types of things so when you say Like A Parasite or like a pathogen in my mind I think like if that's happening to someone wouldn't that be so bad that they would like be in the hospital or no it can be like mild enough that it's just like affecting their digestion and it just is existing for a long period of time good question sometimes and certain things might be so severe of like an infection that they might go to the hospital and then there's all kinds of like varying degrees of how it's affecting someone uh and how it's manifesting and so yeah to answer your question like if you have any of those things like you're not feeling well you're right like you're going to feel it uh joint pain brain fog migraine low energy um food sensitivities it's going to may maybe potentially affect your digestion again depending on what it is um and and yeah yeah and sometimes some things are going to be um so severe that like you might you might be at an ER or an urgent clinic or something like that yeah okay interesting okay I guess I just didn't ever clock that it can affect like I just thought oh it would like upset your stomach or you would have like diarrhea or like something to do with your digestive tract would be going on but it can actually really affect your whole system which makes sense obviously but I just never put that together I guess right right yeah no it's it's a good question and it's it's good right to hear that because it you know it's like bringing it maybe the discussion around to like the four things I I told you I I uh work with or on um and it's that autoimmunity piece that really comes into play here too where like some of those more serious things and or chronic are what are triggering autoimmune disease and so even if someone has already an autoimmune disease we're not getting rid of it right there is no cure for any of them um like that's not what I'm saying but if someone has an autoimmune disease and they haven't looked at their gut connect like what's going on and you know how it could be optimized to help them manage it better like that's where gut health comes in okay I know cool super interesting yeah I'm a massage therapist so I look at the body from in an anatomical place as like structure bones and muscle andun not so much like the way that the systems work together particularly like digestive systems and things like that right the body is crazy fascinating for sure it is right and I'm curious too cat like as a massage therapist can you feel when someone's inflamed yeah I can yeah my brother's a massage therapist and he tells me the same so right like in that that's even already like a reason to you know look at your diet of course but also your gut because it's inflammation at the heart of really everything that that that's what we're taught in the holistic functional medical field whatever we're calling it yeah that makes sense y I know so yeah I mean you you can you can see that or feel it pick up on it I would with with your yeah that's so cool what some of your best ways to reduce inflammation that's a good question I'm not asking for myself or anything but asking for a friend um the Cheeto eater well and maybe I'm a little biased but I I think the the diet is it's just so so foundational and so again that for me that's where like nutrition and gut health come in I see them both it's kind of both both of them are foundational for me I I really I believe that and I've seen that so yeah I mean if someone wants to just just start working on reducing inflammation um I would take a look at at what they're eating initially isn't helping Cheetos isn't helping that's all that's all I'm going to say yeah just emotionally yeah good better best I talked about that with all the time good better best I'm not sure Cheetos even fall anywhere in that but yeah we could make a not even on the food pyramid no yeah exactly exactly more of an emotional pyramid with like socks and blankets yeah do you need a Cheeto I like just ate the last one house I'm going to be better now I promise she doesn't on the mind for you today um so I have a question you suggest a stool sample kind of to get started um I have a friend who has like a little device that she blows into that's connected to like an app and it kind of rates like the current bacteria in her gut biome yeah have you seen those do you use those at all in your I've never seen them actually I've I mean there so there's testing for certain um H pylori for example if if you guys or listeners have ever heard of that uh it's a pretty common bacteria and you um you you can test that through a breath test and yeah I mean there's other breath test for what you're describing like knowing Maybe what types of bacteria are in someone's got you're not going to get a super clear picture but um but yeah I'm more familiar with those but I I'm not aware of like a home kit actually that's interesting yeah I if if I find it I'll have to like make sure to pass the information along to you but like she like brought it and it like measures the methane and I'm sure it does some of like yeah what you've been doing and uh but yeah she just like it's a little pocket device and like she does it in the morning and then like in the evening to kind of see where she's at and has she had issues in the past um and she's like my husband does his and they're all like clear or like he'll have one high once in a while but she's like all of mine are out of whack interesting there's something called sibo I don't know has have any of you heard of that it's I mean it's not super well known but it it just stands for small intestinal bacteria overgrowth SI IBO um your your friend and your story make me think that maybe she you know if she's had sort of chronic gas bloating kind of issues um sibo is something that we test for um and can treat uh I guess the important thing for people who don't really know what it is is like just know that there's not meant to be bacteria in your small intestines that that's the important part so yeah like we uh the only way to really test for that is a breath test but yeah it just it makes me think that maybe she's had she's had issues in the past or something but yeah very interesting yeah yeah that's I say like gut health it just it is it's it's fascinating I just saw a documentary where they were doing poop transplants and you're going to be the only podcaster I get to talk to about this so yes can you I was literally talking to someone about it yesterday they're called peal transplants yes yes and yeah yeah it's a thing there's there's even um there's even one uh bacterial infection that some some people can get that like we the functional medical world and the conventional medical world like we actually agree um that fecal transplant is the best way to to treat for this this one particular bacterial infection uh but yeah I so fecal transplant for those that don't know what it is it's it's exactly what it sounds like um they take the uh feces of a person with a healthy microbiome and of course they're going to test it and there's different things we look for but so the person of like has a healthy microbiome and they transplant that into the bowels of someone with a unhealthy uh microbiome so it and that it's um as you might imagine like for people who like are in a pretty bad place like their digestive system is in a pretty bad place it's not like first line treatment by any means um but yeah it's it's a thing and it's so fascinating yeah yeah so have any of you watched the documentary on Netflix um which one I know somebody that had a FAL transplant but I haven't seen the docum okay okay so hack your health is the name of the documentary that came out maybe like six weeks ago on on Netflix okay and it's about gut health so hack your health and then something something about isn't she the one who was doing she was like bag like freeze drying poop from her partner and then her brother and then putting him to capsules and then she was like I realized I got my boyfriend's depression or something because in his gut biome it was so fascinating acne from her brother if I remember right and more depressive symptoms from her partner yes exactly yeah right so talk about like the gut connection like really the you know all of the different microbes and bacteria that make up our microbiome I mean they literally shape we're just hosts for them yeah yeah I mean they yeah it's just it is it's fascinating and I I am a there's a a company that I'm affiliated with I mean it's uh you know you have to be a doctor or specific kind of like hold a degree have a specific kind of like Health uh degree but so there there's a company where I mean yeah think of it as like instead of a probiotic it's uh it's FAL transplant so they come in capsules so very similar to yeah that woman in the documentary that was doing it herself um this is a company that one of the professors in my program in school uh she's one of the founders and yeah I mean this it's Cutting Edge research honestly um and so she's part of this company it's called SAA and again like you have to go through a practitioner to to get the supplement the but yeah I mean essentially like I say it's a fecal transplant and there are a couple of my clients that I I really wish would try and I don't know if it's like the ick Factor that's stopping them but I am I like I'm waiting for my you know the client who's gonna take me up on it because I just I'm super curious how much better I've got this handful of these handful of clients that been working with for years and um um you know this this kind of stuff it it just takes time to undo and to heal and so there's a couple of them that um yeah I'm just I'm curious you know if we could just kind of like uh get them get them really yeah progressing faster and just kind of like over the hump I I I'm trying to think of how to describe it better than that but you know over the like hump that they kind of seem to be in um because it yeah like this stuff just is it can be tricky it can be really tricky and nuanced so yeah feal transplants yeah my dad initially um brought it up because my mom has had a stroke like like a decade ago and has been on like antibiotics and so many medicines and so he originally him and I are always looking for like ways to like help and figure out and yeah that one he brought up to me and I was like um but the more like I like read about it I'm like okay like who poop for Mom it's yeah I mean like I say it's research yeah it I mean there's the ick factor I know but like it's for uh was a cat you said that you know someone uhhuh um that had a fecal transplant so yeah I've only met a handful like it you know not many people have had them um it it can really help though like I said for some of those people who are like really in a in a bad place I can't remember what I can't remember what started the whole thing it was actually a young person like they were like in the early 20s sure um my client is 23 and just got diagnosed with three autoimmune diseases yeah yeah and they were had tried everything everything everything everything and I think they had had like so many rounds of antibiotics from something or whatever but the whole biome was just like wiped out and they couldn't eat anything they couldn't like process anything and the doctor finally was like it's this or like a colostomy bag and a feeding tube like you like it was like at the end of like trying so many so many things and then I think they did it three times I think they had three fecal transplants and like within six months it was like nothing had ever happened like right as rain wow yeah it's true yeah it is yeah I mean the gut you know coming sort of Full Circle it's just connected to so many things and so that that is the thinking is that I I would bet she has this bacterial infection that I was talking about and again like that's where the Met like conventional and functional medical world like we agree um you you get this type of bacterial infection after having too many antibiotics um and so this other bacteria will will grow um and it's it's really I'm trying to think like is it life-threatening probably because I think you can get sepsis from it um and so really at that point yeah the only thing to do is just sort of start over and yeah the best way to do that is is transplant um from a healthy microbiome yeah so interesting yeah along that same line how do you can I ask how you feel about this trend of people that just do like these heavy like parasite cleanses I knew that's where you were going with just like taking these things to see if they if something comes out or because I feel like I mean that would be cool if that exists but also I just feel like that can't be great for your whole biome in general but I could be totally wrong and maybe it's the best thing in everyone should do it all the time I don't know I knew you were gonna go there because for some reason it's very trendy right now it's very trendy right now so I do I get this question a lot and I'm I'm happy to talk about it cuz there's so much misinformation out there uh and I'm not on Tik Tok I'm not even really on social media much right so there's these people who have these viral videos and talk about parasite cleanses and there are people out there um that believe we all have parasites and we all need to be doing these cleanses and I'm not one of them um my training my education my experience and you know also I guess my personal like opinion and preference is to test for something like that um and frankly you know I just think like if someone has a parasite they're not feeling well and that's not the only thing that's wrong so getting something like the comprehensive stool test that I've been talking about it's going to tell me all of these other things as well as if you have a parasite um and so I I would much rather have all the information and and just be treating in a more I I'm not sure how to describe it but I mean I think you understand what I mean like treating everything versus thinking like you know that a parasite cleanse is the answer because it's not like if someone's not feeling well like like I say there there's more going on so does that answer your question yeah totally yeah yeah and and people strip like your gut say that again do you think like some of those like I don't know if they're called tests or whatever like people are doing that are trendy is it like stripping their guts or is it any like oh the Dage yeah so I it depends on what they're using um so if someone has a parasite there's there's a couple of different ways to treat right like um conventional doctor finds that they're going to be using pretty strong like prescriptions um and I I um have recommended those in the in the past it depends on what parasite someone has and how severe uh it is and how they're feeling Etc so sometimes a prescription is what's needed but again like 98% of the time what's found in the the stool test like I can treat naturally and herbally most of the parasite cleanses are herbs uh I don't again it's like I don't keep up like I don't know all the things that are um talked about out there but most of the things are natural um and our herbs but that doesn't mean they don't cause harm it doesn't mean that there aren't contraindications with like other medications and other herbs and supplements um they're powerful I mean pants plants are powerful it's it's where medicine originated right um so yeah depending on what someone is taking it it could cause harm to the gut where you know they're they're meaning to like actually heal it or like cleanse it yeah it depends I just find it interesting I mean first of all I don't like that stuff anyway because if you're saying everybody has this one thing and you just so happen to sell the one thing that fixes it right right but also sure you're going to take this pill and then not be to leave your bathroom for three days but then what like all you've done is emptied your your system and I feel like was something like that yeah like exactly what you just said if that's happening like parasites happen in stages so have you actually gotten rid of the thing or is it just existing now and then more are going to hatch or whatever right yes yeah you're not wrong and it's I think it's good to be skeptical and right like yeah I just think it's so fascinating because it is so trendy right now and I'm just like it is I don't know where it started but it is yeah things got really weird during Co like the Facebook pages for parasites just like I got tagged in so many weird things really really most people poop it you know I mean it's parasites are around us the se you know all sorts of things bacteria viruses right I mean it's they're all around us and our food and water and environment like it you know so in a way it's like well we're not getting away from it but they're like I say are those people those practitioners that do believe and I mean they can have their beliefs I just don't agree but right that like because we are exposed to them they're all around us like everybody has them and that's just that's just not true so yeah yeah when you talk about kind of how bacteria and uh viruses are kind of everywhere could you talk a little bit about kind of the difference of having a good bacteria in your gut and like a bad bacteria and like I don't know just the right yeah yeah yeah so great question part of the test that IED use there's a page of all the different kinds of good bacteria in our gut and then there's a page of the bad bacteria um and we know in a gut so yeah again like we're we're surrounded by all of these different things uh microbes and bacteria Etc and and what makes up a healthy gut is um let's see where's the camera like 80% good and we know that like we're always going to have a little bit of the other um so the ratio that we want is like 8 to2 80% to 20% right so like that's what makes up a healthy gut like there there is no such thing as like zero so the way though that a healthy gut works is that because we have let's see that was how I did it before um like mostly good guys they're what keep the quote unquote bad guys at low levels that's part of what they do they're it's part of like our defense system if you will and so a lot of the problems that I see when I get those test results back so if it's meant to be here instead it's here that's where a lot of the problem comes from that's where you know working with a gut health practitioner that like actually knows what to like look for and do and how to treat really comes into play it's not just about getting rid of a parasite right so there's there's just all of these other pieces to it so it's about you know bringing those levels back into balance that's part of it uh cuz that alone causes disease that is what is allowing not just like the bad bacteria but all sorts of other things to come into it when when we come in contact with them our defenses are down and so then that just like further exacerbates the overgrowth and the disease potentially Etc so hopefully that's answering your question um that that like yeah that's that's the interplay that's the connection that's what that's what we know in research uh is is the difference I guess between the good and the bad right yeah yeah well in that context helps explain a lot of like why a fecal transplant of that good bacteria when there's all that bad out of the way could be very helpful because it's yes you know what's going to fight it off so uh thank for explaining it yeah I mean right we could talk for hours about all the the good things and the benefits that are good bacteria doe for us so yeah I yeah I appreciate that um kind of connection from what we were talking about before but that's exactly right yeah they do so is there like ways that you could like feed the good bacteria while starving out the bad bacteria or like any recommendations as sort like at least for like anyone new starting on this journey yeah yeah and and again like it's complex and right like always and ideally like I start with a stool test so I know what we're dealing with but just just uh yeah simply kind of getting started and and thinking about improving your gut health we you know you've probably heard about fermented foods uh like feels like a lot of people have anyway like that is a great way to start uh so if you're you know if you think to yourself like I I don't know what fermented foods are or I don't eat them hardly ever like that's a great place to start so fermented foods what I'm talking about is kimchi and sauerkraut miso is fermented uh kombucha is fermented um Tempe um and there there's a couple others that are like harder to find here in the US that like are um native to places like Russia so kavos for example it's like another fermented drink but it's just you don't see it very often here in the US are pickles on there yeah good so good qu I talked about this with the poten apply it just earlier today they're not yeah it so pickles are different and if you think of so what makes fermented foods different than pickles is so fermented foods have live bacteria so they're the the good kind they're the live good bacteria and in order to keep them kind of like I guess within like good levels and limits and also like happy and healthy uh they need to be refrigerated so initially you grow the bacteria for a couple of days outside of a refrigerator but in order to like keep them like I say alive and happy and healthy uh those products are going to be in the refrigerator so if you think about like pickles or shelf stable right like you're buying them in the middle of the grocery store they don't need to be refrigerated because there's no bacteria in them so yeah that's that's really the difference I guess I just for some reason maybe somebody told me one time I just thought like pickles were higher in probiotics yeah not typically not typically because even I mean I've made pickles at home so yeah if you've done it with you know like family or like Grandma or something um typically when you when you can them you're I mean they're they're being pasteurized essentially right like oh yeah go when you put them in the thing yeah yeah when when youat yeah right yeah so yeah you can think about that process like you heat them and you seal them and then they're shell stable so yeah no live bacteria yeah like I get that question all the time so that's good it's good to know the difference so yeah any you know so you think like kimchi's in the refrigerated section and sauerkraut's in the refrigerated section Meo right so yeah that really is a difference like um you're you're not going to have live bacteria in a shelf stable product yeah good question so um yeah sorry to answer your question Julie yeah fermented foods like that's a great place to start for someone is to start incorporating fermented foods into your diet like that's going to it's it's the live bacteria so it's it both feeds it uh bacteria feed on fiber can't remember who mentioned fiber earlier maybe cat fiber in the diets I'm not talking about Metamucil fiber in the diet is what feeds the bacteria and so again it's like think about we could talk for an hour about fiber too but like think you know to yourself of like what you're eating on a daily basis and if it doesn't include many vegetables or fruits or gra whole grains or nuts and seeds or things like mushrooms and Sprouts I mean all of those things have fiber and if you're you know if you're not eating very beans I forgot beans if you're not eating those kinds of foods on a daily basis likely you're good back Bia are not happy and thriving so yeah fiber and and fermented foods like that's a great place to start what would you say are like some Top Foods or whatever that are like really gut killer gut Killers yeah oh good cheet um sugar sugar is gonna kill bacteria and so what I mean by that because again like we we could have a whole other hour on like what do I mean you know like what is sugar because it it comes carbohydrates break down into sugar so that's why I say like it's a longer conversation because I really like I love people to understand this because I know I say when I say sugar you guys think of what I like can soda yeah yeah and so I am definitely talking about those kinds of like those are the gut Killers but I really want people to know that like we're still ingesting sugar broccoli is a carbohydrate and a doughnut as a carbohydrate and they're very different right like how what they're made up of and how they're utilized and broken down in the body Etc but like they're they both break down into sugar they're both carbohydrates and so yeah I'm talking about candy and soda and cakes and cookies and muffins and and even bread a lot of the bread um out there is is really not very good for us um yeah all all of those kinds of things Sugar Sugar literally kills the bacteria and so again you know it's like think to yourself of like what am I eating day to day uh you know so the things that like help a gut Thrive are those plants essentially foods that like have a lot of fiber and the things that are killing them are really processed and overly you know like um processed sugars and different things so that's yeah in a nutshell there there's more to that conversation but in yeah totally yeah yeah that's foods that are gut pillars yeah that's a good question yeah yeah I could totally RAB a hole down there because that just makes me think like the one like when you wake up in the morning the when you break fast when you have the first meal of the day it should be like the healthiest meal in my opinion and we're like here child have this bowl of cereal absolutely that now cost 16 six hours right I I mean I'm a former public school teacher so honestly this is like that's where it started that's where it started yeah I was a public school teacher and yeah I mean I remember seeing what we were feeding our kids for lunch and of of course kid I mean you know kids are Wiggly no matter what I don't have kids I think Julie you might have shared like do all of you have kids I have two teenagers and has two little ones okay okay so right like I don't I don't have kids of my own but yeah I was a public school teacher for 10 years and yeah I mean I I know kids are Wiggly um but they they could be doing so much better right like to your point cat of I yeah sorry like this is another thing but like them asking them to sit for six eight hours a day and the things that we feed them both in school and out of school I mean it's we're just not doing them any favors so yeah that that's actually where it started was you know looking at what we feed them for lunch and I just I was anyway um yeah so I I where did what was the original thought or question oh breakfast I was just spiraling on the of breakfast yeah no yeah breakfast traditional breakfast items here in the US especially terrible terrible yeah so I cold cereal and soda those are like the two things I I would just get rid of like in everybody's diet to be honest yeah that's yeah lots of sugar okay I was just gonna ask can you tell us about like where your practice is or where people can find you if they want to work with you um and just give us that information so yeah yeah thank you so I um I practice 100% virtual um and my I I live in Salt Lake City um and work with yeah people all over the country mostly local but people all over the country um and my degree allows me to do that um and uh so yeah because I do everything virtually it allows me just again like you know it's the test comes through the mail um all any and all like supplements that I might recommend are shipped to someone's door right so just everything uh can be done um from the comfort of someone's own home um and someone can find me uh online at whole Essentials nutrition is the name of my business uh Instagram Facebook LinkedIn website all the things same same name can you tell us like just like a quick little teaser about what you're going to be covering in your four-week yes yes so coming up I I have to remember this so I'm doing a four-part gut health series and I don't have it in front of me but what I remember at least outlining is we're going to do like a little bit of an overview uh talking about just like why is Health important we're going to again if I remember right uh talk about like inflammatory foods specifically we're going to talk about I believe like restorative Foods maybe um and then and then I think I'm talking about testing I know sure the last one is testing yeah it's it's that third one I'm not super clear about but I I think the third one is called prebiotics probiotics biotic that's right okay thank you all of these things obviously are long can be much longer conversations but so that second one inflammatory foods and then the third one probiotics prebiotics synbiotics and if you're thinking I don't know what any of those mean that right like that class is for you um and yeah then a little bit of testing so awesome I love I'm so excited yes it's gonna be good yeah thank I mean thank you again for um you know the opportunity to talk more about it I just people people need to know yeah absolutely yeah and as much as we like the of logic and light like we also need like a heavy portion of logic to like get us to the light as well so I think this is such a really like important class I'm excited for it thank you yeah thanks for that connection I I agree like we have to feel well yeah yeah your physical body is um pretty equally as important as your like ethereal body while you're on this plane of existence I agree y i do y absolutely um I have another question for you sorry I like we don't have to be any but um I'm just curious do you ever like help people who have like celiacs disease or do you have any information or like thoughts on kind of that as a topic yes so that again like for people who may not know Celiac is an autoimmune disease and um so yeah that's definitely so it's both Digestive and it's an autoimmune disorder so it's like right up my alley um and I work with uh yeah honestly lots of people with Celiac and so uh celiac disease and so for people who may not know much about it like I said it's an autoimmune disease what that means is it's your immune system attacking a certain organ uh tissue in this case it's food so it's Unique in that way um but it's your immune system attacking something that it shouldn't it's um so anyway like that that's what's happening and there are hundreds of autoimmune diseases um and the difference between each of them is the organ or tissue Etc that they're attacking and damaging so so celiac disease means that that person can absolutely no way ever for the rest of their life have gluten and that's the uh Protein that's part of Wheat and other like wheat grasses so like barley spelt Etc um and so you know that that's that's how you reduce inflammation that's how you manage it um and the the road to like getting there is that people with celiac disease or that are developing Celiac um I mentioned like have a lot of digestive issues so like they can be really severe um and we know from Decades of research that it causes all kinds of damage potentially uh to our digestive tract and intestines and can lead to things like someone not AB like literally not absorbing the nutrients that we're meant to uh that we eat from food so yeah it's um like I say it can be pretty severe for some people but usually you get someone to a place where like you know what's happening and you take gluten out and and somebody can recover and manage right I mean I think I mentioned that earlier too with autoimmune disease we're not curing we're not reversing uh but we can manage and some can be managed really well so that is one that I would say like we can manage it really well um uh but yeah and and again like often times there's other things going on if someone is developing Celiac so for example like I have a 45-year-old client who just was diagnosed with it he's got other stuff right like so we did a so he was diagnosed uh as part like working with his uh you know conventional doctors and then he was still having all of these symptoms we did a stool test he's he's got a lot of stuff like right there's sort of like same idea or story with like the parasite it's like there's other there's other reasons right like why it might have developed or Andor like other you know I mentioned like damage that it's caused that we need to know about in order to heal so yeah I like hopefully that answers your question as far as like how I think about it and how I know to treat and manage for people yeah that's great yeah yeah my dad my yeah my dad has it and I know that like for a minute I noticed that like it seemed to just all of a sudden everyone was like oh I've got this now it's like what can we know about that too yeah yeah there and there's a genetic component right to autoimmune disease but um it plays such a smaller role than than what most people think it's like 10 to 20% versus the 80 to 90% of all of like the other things diet stress infections that we might have gotten along the way um exposure to toxins medication like all right all the other things genetics play like I say 10 to 20% of that picture so like it's good to know right like Dad is diagnosed with Celiac could you potentially develop it someday yes yes right so it's good to just sort of like know that um but yeah it doesn't mean that you're going to get it either good and it doesn't mean that your yeah your whole family now Celiac yeah yeah I we all have to not eat wheat when he's around but we can when he's not around and that's the big part yes yep and and I would say would just like pay attention to how you feel when you eat it right I mean yeah with any with anything though yeah so yeah good question I'm like I have so many but I'm also like okay we have time have we could talk for hours I know that yeah yeah yeah so it's so interesting I love this so thank you so much for like sharing your wisdom and being here with us I'm just so excited thank you again yeah thank you for having me I'd love to talk about it so yeah I'm excited it's Monday Monday will be that first class yeah y that'll be a good one and then hopefully a November event that's right yeah and I yeah you you know a little bit more about that so I'll let you talk about it but yeah I'm excited to be part of that too yeah just all I know is that you and the D that's all I got so it's happening it's coming I love it um perfect yeah this was so wonderful and it was so wonderful to meet you and I love that you're sharing this and that you're like open to sharing it into right adjacent communities to like that uh physical medical field and so I really appreciate that you're willing to come here and it's just information that's going to help everyone I know that I like also have an autoimmune disease so it's so like cool to you know be able to talk to someone who has so much insight and ideas and stuff and yeah willing to share it so thank you yeah thank you you're welcome thanks for joining the all podcast to find out more you can find us online at Academy of logic andl light.org or on Facebook YouTube Instagram and Tik Tok at academyof logic and light if you live in the Salt Lake Valley we'd love to see you at one of our upcoming events and don't forget to support our growth by joining our patreon until next time lead with logic and Light