The A.L.L. Podcast, Episode 3: Empaths

welcome to the all podcast we're the Academy of logic and light I'm Megan I'm cat I'm Julie we are an ethical Community Education platform that provides a safe space for people to practice their spirituality without indoctrination all right we're here again how so we've only officially released one podcast so far and working on the second one and we're now recording for a you know third or fourth depending on how this all works um how are you how did you guys feel about the first one how it went any thoughts or how it came together or anything like that I love I love sitting down and talking with you guys and putting our vision out on something that others can hear it for once because normally it's just us behind closed doors and texts so it was kind of nice just to like put it all out there with our passion I agree I think think too having it out there now like I feel I was having so much anxiety about it that now that it's just like out in the world like for this one I'm like okay right we got we're like basically vets now like is that the right word yeah professionals called profession we're podcasters excuse me yeah okay I have a question about empathy when did you guys first know that you were empath um I never did I still don't just ignorant Bliss honestly that might be better sometimes no I but I do just feel like it was slowly things started adding up and honestly I personally would never use the word empath to describe myself and so it's so hard to be like oh yeah I realized I was an empath at this point because for me it's been my whole life um and I relate it a lot to like the way that my intuition works is very empathic right and um I relate a lot of that into it and so my whole life I've just been learning how to deal with all of the different hits that I get and things that happen to me through like throughout the day and so because of that I feel like I've just been dealing with it it's who I am you know like it's so a part of me that I'm like oh yeah I'm an empath I'm like no I'm I'm Megan that's just how my spirituality and like my abilities and Gifts kind of more manifest that make sense yeah yeah that totally makes sense to me I was going to say something rather similar I think the first time I heard like the phrase empath as being being a person um was like probably 2018 or 2019 like fairly recently um because I mean for my whole childhood I just thought that this was being a human I thought everyone had this capacity to feel each other um and it wasn't until I was probably like middle school or high school that I started to be like if like people are kind of mean like if you can feel how other people feel like it's weird that people are mean you you know um and then I kind of was like but there still has to be more people that are like this than not so I just thought that that was normal like everyone just had the capacity to feel other people's feelings um so it wasn't until like fairly recently that somebody pointed out like no that's what being an empath is like there aren't people that have that but I do disagree with that statement I do think that everybody has the capacity for it I think that some people and obviously especially children you can see it in children especially young children like it's second nature um I think a lot of times people are conditioned out of it um and especially if you live in a household or a part of society where you're being told that you need to have a thick skin because to me a big part of um that ability in myself is my sensitivity like I'm super sensitive but that sensitivity allows me to be able to navigate through all of these feelings of not just myself but other people and I do think that if I had a thick skin I wouldn't have the ability that I have um but also I don't really resonate with the term empath either I think it's um like you were saying Megan I think it's just such a part of the way that I navigate the world to me it's not like an ability or a skill it's just like such a part of who I am that I don't yeah I don't really I mean I understand that those characteristics of what a typical empath is defined as are characteristics that I hold um but I also think that a lot of times that phrase or that terminology um is a little bit overused in this kind of culture overused and also underused in other areas yeah yeah at about um my dad oddly enough uh I'm a past's kid and early on he told me that I was an empath and I didn't know what that meant and he didn't really know I don't remember like what else came from that I just remember him telling me like hey you can feel other people's emotions not all the emotions you're feeling are yours and that was a very like useful tool as a kid it was like the most like witchy thing I remember like from a really young age but I didn't really like comprehend it until I became a flight ATT oh God and then it was like oh [ __ ] this is too much yeah this is a lot of people feeling like aggressively large feelings either of sadness leaving a loved one or excitedness going to see someone or like anger because they're on the wrong flight or someone lost their luggage or all kind of Al very strong feelings and that's a lot of people in a metal tube for too long yeah but that that was like a vital part for me like having the word to know where to search at least then I found like impass Survival Guide for dummies like the OG I went back I was like I need to learn about this because it was weird I just had like an overwhelming amount of feelings in public places and I had been used to being in public places that were churches with all these feelings and that's a different of emotions for sure yeah than an airport oh absolutely but the EMP Survival Guide for um dummies actually talked about being in airports and little tiny Pro protection things so I was like okay there's obviously something to this so I'm gonna investigate it some more awesome H that's cool yeah I like that well and something you kind of touched on cat was that um like the home you're raised in can have a effect on it and honestly not only the people who are who have to get tough because they're told to be tough but I also think there's a large portion of people who just don't have space held for them and so they kind of put up these boundaries that are you know they don't have a safe space to have their boundaries and they're open to other people and because of that they have to create a box that they put themselves in and they really kind of lose a lot of that connection that they may have had when they were younger um because I mean an empath's like great greatest tool is the fact that they can put up barriers and keep themselves and their energy like to their own or at the very least like cleanse out the energy that's not theirs and so but if you are doing that too much to a point that you have like a constant prickly like barrier around you that nothing's going to penetrate then you lose that connection that you have and I think that is something that happens to people as well oh absolutely I agree also I think this that made me think of this too I think that along that same vein there's you know if if you're in a household where your parents or your family doesn't really understand that or know much about it you're navigating blindly and I think that a lot of times I mean almost every single person that I know that has this sensitivity this capability use drugs and alcohol in their youth because it's the only like it's something that you find that shuts it down it's the like one of the only ways I think a lot of people turn to that because they don't know how to turn off this all these feelings that are coming at them that they're feeling all the time they don't understand what it is or what to do with it and so they just if I'm numb I can't feel any of it which I think definitely been guilty of yeah same same um which I think is a discussion that more people need to be having especially with young people that like if you're feeling overwhelmed like you're feeling too many feelings like maybe all those feelings aren't yours and how do we create boundaries and how do we um make sure that what we're feeling is ours and we can own that and everything else we need to learn how to you know get rid of because I do think that there Comes A Time In you know early adolescence where you start to try to navigate that right like kids we keep pretty protected and pretty like oh like you know we understand when they cry or whatever you know they're going to have Tantrums that's normal but as a kid gets older we shut them down and we're like could be in a Bab or whatever other nonsense that we say once a kid reaches a certain age that they don't they don't understand how to navigate feelings and so they start masking which hopefully will start changing for the future of kids I think more people are becoming aware of it um like through our generation and not to say that other Generations haven't but I do think that it's becoming a lot more common which is good yeah I agree I think that's one of the quickest ways to like do that quick energy work is just be like okay what are my feelings and what is not mine and then leave that behind it's like a quick and simple meditation that can help a little bit I have a couple of friends that never even heard of the word empath before and then um two of them were like oh my gosh I feel such and such and such and such and I was like um I think you're feeling my stuff and they were like like looking at me like I was crazy crazy I was like those you literally described exactly what I'm feeling and that just means like your protection isn't as strong as it could be and let me show you how to do that U but that was like brand new information for them I was like okay well here we go cool yeah it's interesting though because at least at least in my my experience at least identifying it with a name it helps or excuse me organize um yeah just organize it and compartmentalize it a little bit better yeah yeah well and there's a lot of stuff I mean even there are when I was looking for resources on like EMP empaths um a lot of psychology stuff came up because like empathy obviously is a huge factor in how we relate to other people and psychology has kind of like also started implementing kind of the empathy uh sorry the empaths and that some people are just more prone to like taking on everybody else's stuff than themselves and so I think it's it's a good name in that it doesn't exclude it to like a spiritual thing because if I told you oh your empathy is just like your intuition you should listen to yourself you know and it's you picking up on these things like you're psychic surprise you know and that's you picking up on these things uh that would be I mean such a different so weirdly received versus saying oh hey like you're an empath you're just picking up on other people's emotions here's probably why you feel that way like let's find something to get better and so I think having a specific like diagnosis for it is good and then people can kind of build from there on whatever way that they want want to get it out of their life or have more of it in their life or even just being like okay impath kid that just means I have to have stronger barriers when I go outside or I need to actually be in touch with my feelings so I know what they are when I go outside because how can you literally separate them if you don't know your feeling which is a problem of a Capricorn yeah I'm glad you brought that up Megan because I actually recently read an article that was talking about the psychology behind empaths and how there's a lot of trend um or like a lot of incoming data that's showing that children that had that lived in chaos when they were young especially if they had um parents that were borderline neglectful or um had some sort of substance use disorder tend to be more empathic because they had to learn how to navigate their parents' feelings and predict what the chaos was going to happen in their house for their own psychological protection from a very very young age and so you learn how to hone in those skills to be able to pick up on people's um feelings even if it's just like a shift in body language or like a facial expression immediately you're like oh they're about to get mad um which I thought was super interesting um that they that they're they are actually studying what causes empaths um I don't think that's the only path obviously but I thought that was super interesting it makes a lot of sense and it was totally not something I ever had thought about before yeah makes sense absolutely that's very interesting it's a cool like Theory or thought kind of but it's ways to make sense of the world can we please have a podcast it says surprise you're a psychic that's adorable maybe surprise you're an impath what are some of the things that you guys do to protect your energy thanks for asking Julie in July we actually did a little gathering for our full moon event and our new moon event sorry and I put together a like calling in your own power kind of discussion and so we talked about it and it had a really great practice and you talked a little bit about having this as like a daily practice Julie but um taking a moment at the end of the day or just like when you're getting in the shower and just being like okay I'm I'm letting go of all the energetic ties that are not mine and just kind of releasing those and can obviously work on like a much deeper level than just the empathy I'm G to I don't know what to call it to keep in my head um anyway but I feel like kind of releasing other people's energy that I've been storing for them helps um and then I just try to call in my own power so you know any pieces that I have that are out in the world that I want to like keep for myself so I can feel myself and like so I had a energetic body work done and she was like your aura is like swiss cheese I was like what do you mean and so we talked about like how to like strengthen your aura but I feel like calling in my own power is what strengthens my aura because I'm essentially finding those little pieces of Swiss cheese and putting them back in the holes I'm like Oh no you're supposed to be here and putting the puzzle back together and then I am able to like feel myself more and I have like I'm more present in my body and I have just you know I feel more whole as a person instead of you know way out there that's a really great answer I do I should get better at doing things before bed I think that would probably be helpful for me most of what I do is in the morning and my morning meditation um a part of my morning meditation cuz um I'm a cancer Sun Scorpio Moon so like I lean a little bit into the water in the morning um and I just kind of like um you know visualize like I'm floating in the ocean and letting go of like all the things that don't belong to me allowing what's meant for me to flow in and what is not meant for me to flow out um just being held in the Universal current is what I say in my meditation um which just kind of helps me get grounded and like ready for the day um and then if I start to feel overwhelmed throughout the day I've gotten pretty good about like circling back like is this mine m where's my boundary like am I being you know being lazy or whatever you know depending on where I am also I am really good about if I know I'm going to go into a place that is unfamiliar with a lot of people where I know that I might be triggered or a little bit overwhelmed I'm just like um kind of wall up a little bit I'm like extra boundary we're going to feel you know like we're going to like wall up a little bit as we go through this um but I definitely I'm glad you said that Megan because I do think that it would be good to do stuff at night too just to like get the residuals off that's part of my morning routine and my evening routine I have the same thing I say three times in the morning I cut all energy cords with gratitude thank you for the lesson send it back with love light blah blah blah and then three times I call back my energy morning and night because I AST project at night and so I want to be protected before I go to sleep too because dream workers do a lot of work and we don't always know what we're going to do or we don't always remember so I reset two phases of my day with and block them in with that that's awesome yeah one of the quick ones l oh sorry you're good go ahead what else did you have Julie oh I was just gonna say one one of the quick exercises I learned as a flight attendant like if you don't really have time to do much is literally the energy zip and it literally start at your feet and zip up your energy and that's your little barrier and just doing the motion and visualizing it some some for some reason it just works it's just like a really quick thing you're walking like you said into a bar you're like no thanks I don't want to feel What's Happening Here Yeah I feel like for me um I I like to like CLE think of cleansing it off and so I'll like brush I'll just brush if I had a feeling or like some sort of interaction I'll just kind of be like Oh no I got to get rid of this like there it goes um but I also think that as I've been like this kind of goes back into the calling of my own power but as I've been learning to like embrace my own authenticity I've been realizing that I can also use that like to create my barrier and when we were when I was younger and I was hanging out with my friends and and this is a little off topic but I just was starting to it so I don't know if it will all Circle back the way I'm thinking but when I was in junior high me and my friends would go out and hang out but we were like the shy quiet like nervous like girls and that was just you know we kind of the the Wallflower type girls like we were friendly but we weren't like weird in public right so even though we were maybe weird and when we were all hanging out and so we had a friend who would just be weird all the time and we loved her and we're like oh my gosh like you're so you and it's the most beautiful thing like how do you how do you stand on a stage and act like she got into acting and we're like how do you do that like we we can't like like it's not for us and she would just say paint your box and so I think that that's kind of a fun way because honestly I mean when you're trying to hide yourself because of you've worried about how other people are perceiving you that's a form of empathy like you're so focused on the way they feel about you that you're not being true to yourself and so anyway I just had this thought while we were all discussing it but she' just like paint your just you know there's nobody else out there it's you this paint is a barrier and nothing's going to come through or see you that you don't want to and and it's great so that's always stuck with me and then so it's funny to just kind of think of it as like creating that energetic barrier in the form of painting a box right that's cute I like it yeah that is cute that makes me think when so when I was in my class to do my um Crystal healing certification um I you know that was like one of the very first um paths I took on this kind of all spiritual journey that I went on um that was like back in 2013 or 14 um so that was like really the first time that I had ever had conversations with people about like protecting energy like how to protect your energy and how to you know keep your safe space and I started doing this practice which I don't do as often anymore but every once in a while I will where I will visualize myself as a specific Crystal so a lot of times when I feel like I have to transmute other people's energy like if I'm in a at a concert or someplace that's like super chaotic I am a taline like I visualize myself as the taline just like CH funneling that energy just moving it through moving it through um which I think can be super helpful not just for that but like sometimes when I'm like feeling real low like if it's a bad hormonal day or something then I'm like I'm a rose quartz today I'm just sucking in all the love I can get just give it to me I love that yeah that's so great cat I love it so much I've never heard of that that's amazing now I'm like okay that's also brings up a good point though is also as impath you carry energy what do you do with the energy as you're feeling it and then there's ways to cleanse your energy but transmuting is such a cool [ __ ] way to like move it and make it into something positive and you even use that energy for your own energy like I'm trying to explain it because I can like see the visual in my head but like raging like just say like you had like a really crazy like experience with road rage and you just like scream in your car and then you come home and like clean your house I don't know you can like Channel some of that energy and like transmute it back out there but use it as a positive thing yeah for sure 100% if I have a really overwhelming day that I'm not didn't expect to have like something happens that is like all of a sudden I have to go to my kids school or like some crazy happens at work almost always that night I go full I'm a kid in my bedroom with a microphone headphones in and rockar mode just like you know lip sinking dancing around because I have to move that energy yeah I can't just let it sit inside of me um or yeah I'll go on like a good power walk and just got to get it out you know whatever whatever it is I think my poor neighbors downstairs are like she lives alone right I have literally I'll put my watch on for like the dance mode and I'm like okay I'm dancing you're better count these calories but it does it helps like singing dancing like you one I said to my friends you literally can't be sad when you're singing I mean you can like be sad but like in a good way right you're transmuting it yeah yeah if you're dancing no you can't it's hard it is um I think in the moment if I'm having something where I'm like feeling somebody's really strong emotion I just push it I ask the mother earth Pim Mama to take it and transmute it hug a tree put your feet in the you know like this isn't mine if it like take this and transmute it into something better something more positive send it back to them if they need it back like if someone's like getting upset with me or yelling or being super aggressive I'm like and then just like imagine it as a cycle like it's coming at me but it's not going into me down into the Earth and then sending it back to them through the ground up as like light and peace to calm down whatever their core issue is in that moment yeah yeah also that was the other part what cat do you recommend uh crystals as far as protection when you're out in public so um It's Kind like kind of General black attracts light like black wants light so if you're looking for like I know that sounds counterintuitive but that's also why like a lot of witchy people I think intuitively like black because black wants to absorb light and so um any of the black T talin my go-to I just I like the vibe of torline I know a lot of people like obsidian um which is also great um the snowflake quartz that's like um has like the or not quartz Onyx um that's like black that has like the little white specks in it I think is really good for transmuting energy as well um honestly I think that most amethyst clear quartz rose quartz pretty much most General crystals are going to be pretty good for transmuting um if it's something specific you want I would make sure that it's a pointed Crystal and it points down like if it's hanging on a like necklace or a pendant um um that the point points down so that it's going into the Earth cool to transmit that energy I like that yeah me too that's that's what when it comes to Crystals at least not that I know what's like transmuting but I always wear tiger's eye um when I'm going to like a crowded place or I feel like I just want an extra barrier for myself I feel like tiger's eye is what I gravitate towards to do that and I am far from any expert on crystals but that's no I mean what I have the most of yeah that's I mean that's kind of 101 whatever your intuition is telling you is the one doesn't like books are going to give you kind of a generalized idea but if you have a a connection with a specific crystal that's the right one it doesn't like even if the book's like oh this is for attracting love but you're like well I feel protected when I wear it then that's the one you wear for protection like you know all that information around what what what crystals are supposed to be used for is pretty generalized information yeah it is definitely like a Vibe I think I like the ones particularly for me that are you don't have to cleanse um like salinite and uh obsidian Onyx I think most some of those protection ones are like pretty like you don't really have to like charge and cleanse them a lot which is for me when you're dealing with like heavy [ __ ] of 150 passengers on an airplane you don't really have time in a 14-hour day to like cleanse all of it out so for me those are like my favorite like this beautiful salite but I can't wear this to work but my pockets are full of crystals I'm just picturing all your crystals like on an airplane window oh my God I would if there was like if they gave us any space I would have a whole thing decorated my airplane would be the funnest you know those like the like a shower caddy that has suction cups on it oh my God genus window like excuse me you have a bigger window than I do as a flight attendant can I charge my crystals yeah perfect no one would be surprised no oh that's funny um I have a question for you both I can answer it too but so as empaths or people who help with other people's energy like so now we're kind of bridging from your everyday life to like working as a spiritual like worker and helping people process these things what in your practice like helps you either clear the energy of the last client or like what kind of energy are you willing to take on um anyway just I am very new to like the doing work for other people and so I'm just interested what your practices are with those uh do you want to go first cat sure um so I keep a bowl of water that has salt in it in the room um and and when I'm working on someone I'm pushing all of whatever I'm trying to move into that bowl because water is a conduit and Salt's a cleanser so I'm giving that energy a place to go to because I have definitely learned that the hard way right like energy doesn't die it just moves it just changes so if I'm working on someone and I'm helping them process something or move through something so that it's no longer attached to their body and it doesn't have a place to go it will go to me because I'm the next energetic being or you know piece of energy that it can attract to so that I have always a conduit of some kind in the room that I can direct that energy to I know another practitioner that does this with copper that keeps a big piece of copper in their space that sends it to that and then they wash the copper after each um that they do for me I use water um and then I just dump the water out um and kind of like I don't want to say prayer but for lack of a better word like thank the water for holding this Energy may it move on to someplace better you know um so that it's not stuck to me um and then again just making sure that my boundar is up so that um it doesn't and then um you know shaking off anything that may residually just be in the aura field trying to penetrate or trying to move through um so that's generally what I do I like that a lot that's a good a good tip and trick yeah and like more focused mine's a little more chaotic uh but like before before people come like I cleanse my space like pretty directly and I don't even tap into people's energy until about five minutes before they arrive just so I can do all my own work for my apartment and my cats and me but um I always have my clients uh facing their feet towards a window or a door um and I always have one open window for me that just makes the most sense just like let it go and not have a lot of stuck energy in there but I uh do a very thorough saging before and after a client and I'll usually use my voice singing um a chant or something along those lines and then I I kind of sit for like a few minutes um after everything and just feel if there's anything that's left in them if I'm feeling anything not mine um and then kind of go from there but that's pretty much my my quickest in a standard practice I'll almost all you're always going to see a window open in my house anyways but especially when I'm doing energy work yeah that's good yeah I like I haven't been doing it for a long time but I feel like things that have kind of helped me because I definitely not that I like I don't do necessarily the same level but when I read tarot for people I definitely Ely like TR like I'll ask people to cut the deck for me because I want like their energy to like be all over for my reading because it helps me tune in but before and after yeah I cleanse um and I'm always I sit on h a bar of centi I can't say it but I I always like put it somewhere near my base like sometimes I'll put it under my feet or I'll sit on it because I just want kind of my grounding connection to purify right and so I I have never thought of it I've just always done that because I'm like this feels right but it's so interesting cat what you had talked about earlier of like sending the energy that not yours like down and it cleansing that way and so I'm like it just has always been okay I'll sit on it and then that way my connection is good so that's that's cool and I think having that knowledge now will help me direct the energy better so that it doesn't stick around and it helps me like process what I took on so I that's cool and then um I always would like wipe something with either my hand or a cloth like that's just like I wipe myself off with my hands to get rid of energy and I'll wipe off my card decks like I'll even go through if it was a heavy reading I will wipe off individual cards like with a microfiber cloth and like get the energy off but that to me I'm like this is cleansing it or I'll use I love Florida water but that one's just my quick and easy like okay I'm just gonna cleanse this area put it on my hands it dries fast enough I can handle cards I like that I forgot yeah I also have my clients on a grounding mat so then if it's like a particularly challenging thing I'll go and sit on a grounding mat and then hold their heads while they're on a grounding mat too because sometimes you just need assistance yeah for sure it's part of my sound yeah sounds good um as part of my like meditation every morning um I reconnect myself with the center of the earth so that I can just really like you know imagine that cord from my Center running down through my feet all the way into the center of the earth so that when I feel like I need to sense something that connection is already established um and you know as part of my morning routine I guess yeah I think that's like just an important one to start your day with kind of like the yeah just like that part of that morning routine my my shower it's kind of like that one I do a shower meditation and I just do draw the raiki symbols on my hands and go through each chakra like quickly in the shower you're already washing yourself and then um I imagine my feet um tapping into the root system and I ask for permission for stability and groundedness and to help me transmute the energy of the day and then I connect to source and then I do three deep breaths where I channel the energy below and the energy above at the same time I blast it through my body uh and that is for days where I don't have the energy to be alive it really helps yeah like going to work for a 14 hour day I was like I'm gonna need some assistance here it's a heavy one yeah yeah and I I think I might have been talking to you about this Julie but I am a bath person like if it was a heavy energy day I'm feeling physically or emotionally or mentally drained I I need a bath I will just I will take four baths in a day if I'm not feeling well like sorry I got to go like bye family and it's just like the one place and it's not I don't know I haven't always felt like a huge connection to water but when it is a big day for me I have to like get in at the very least like stand in a shower because it I think it just helps move the energy so much more than you know I a storm is great if it's windy outside but it's hard to like feel like some of the other I mean I'm not going to light myself on fire but that does sound the most effective element but water is just so much more like a you can feel it on your skin it's like a sensory of being clean and also like you can make the right temperature exactly everything gets so connected that's one oh go ahead I was just going to say and also like fire isn't a conduit and wind isn't a conduit so like water is going to pull that energy out in a way the other elements aren't and generally if you're taking like a hot bath it's going to be more relaxing and it like opens your pores so it's also literally like pulling things out of your skin too so you're like really detoxing just all the way I think a lot of people don't put those two things together where like so many people are like oh I take baths for self-care and it's like yeah you're overwhelmed that's you're holding a lot of [ __ ] probably so yeah that makes sense yeah I think that is a really powerful one do you guys put herbs in your baths yeah like I usually do like um some sort of essential oil in salt and then put that in cuz like herbs sometimes I'll do Rosemary like a couple sprigs of Rosemary but I don't like cleaning it out after I get out of the tub so then I'm like then I'm not relaxed if I have to clean the bath after I get out of the bath that's fair I have like a little strainer at the bottom so it just oh that's smart yeah I'm an her bath person I'm like but those are for like serious days I'm like okay we're putting in some mug warts maragold or whatever make sure they're not toxic first yeah I want it to be a whole Megan stew but I usually just use bath salts a Megan stew I love it um I swear where I had something oh oh speaking of baths have either of you ever tried a Yoni bath or like steamer or what do they call them yes I'm a promiscuous woman I like to steam my Yi I I know people who like they just don't have a bath in their apartment and it's a way that they like use it kind of like you would a bath to like cleanse and ground and all the things it feels good yeah and that's why I was like I want to hear more because one of the the only person I've really heard talk about them before is someone who's like super witchy and I was like she she was like this helps me it's great and I was like that's so cool like I need one cuz she just had the greatest things to say about it and she's like and you sometimes you don't have time for for a bath and sometimes you can't mess up your hair but you need to like get rid of [ __ ] and she's like and it's great it does it feels nice don't do it if you're menstruating obviously but is nice to do before or after it just like feels good it's like warm in a way that you didn't expect it just like obviously steam's going up there but you just hard to imagine until you experience it there I think I've only done it like twice U like never gone to a place and had it done I've just gotten like a bowl and then like put some herbs in it and then um poured boiling water and then just like crouched over it I guess kneeled yeah with like a skirt's helpful because it keeps the steam in there yeah flowing and privacy curtain if you're into that yeah the old Retreats I used to work for uh out in the tons we do it camping which honestly like the last day of camping you just feel so gross anyways it was so nice yeah that sound great but I like to do it after like breakups tot different types of energy cleansing yeah yeah absolutely gotta cleanse it all right gota cleanse it all um cool great that was just it popped in my head so I'm like let's talk about it yeah you got to try it all yeah you have it let's do it I've not done it okay next time we get together I have just enough but actually we could probably go down to the um oh what's this uh the natural law they definitely have Yoni steams already prepackaged with like the proper sometimes that like I don't know hers enough to know like what's supposed to do what exactly but it's nice when people already did the work Etsy has a bunch of really cute ones that are nice cool yeah and they smell good I love it and there's been some interesting reports about like other stuff but like I'm I don't I'm not well versed enough to like talk about that just my own personal experiences yeah very cool um did you have any other questions about empaths or do you have any like topic areas that you think we could talk about Julie that we've maybe missed I'm trying to think so I think that might have been everything that was on my list but I have a question um if you recognize that somebody like is that maybe like you don't know or maybe you do um that kind of has empathic Tendencies how do you bring that up to them do you just be like hey have you ever noticed this about yourself or like has that ever happened to you where youve ran into people where you're like just so you know surprise surprise you're an impath actually the weirdest one is when I'm high my friends are like oh I feel super weird like I feel like a little hi a little energetic a little this and I was like that that's definitely mine that's the half a caffeine that I had and the half an edible I had before I got here and then they're like oh wow I'm like did you know you're an empath and yeah it's always been an interesting thing but it's like very specific energies that let them know like that they're clearly not high they're clearly not the same caffeinated yeah have you ever had anybody like push back against you on it like no that's not real or anything no because I don't think I would even approach it if I didn't think that they were open to it to be honest um or it's also been like in a ceremonial setting uh in like a group ceremony where someone's like who has an autoimmune disease and I'll be like oh it's me like oh we're heavy empaths you know like you just feel like the Nerf I don't think I would really addressed it to someone if I didn't think that they were open to it to really honest I like to feel things out or at least ask a few follow-up questions first to just like feel it out like have you ever heard of an empath or do you feel like you're doing too much emotional work that's not yours leading questions yeah investigative work yeah I feel like and I know we're talking about empaths but I feel like so much of my empath my empaths this is like it makes me feel psychic right so I went to a group raike thing and me and my dad went together and we were at Crystal Hot Springs doing raiki with a group and so we're standing in the hot springs while someone is floating and everybody just kind of helps them float while the like raiki practitioner does the raiki on them and so we're my dad's and I were holding these this kid's legs and he was probably like 17 and we were holding about where his knees are and I just like put my hand on top of his knee and I was just like I had the distinct impression that I was like oh my gosh like his knees need so much energy and um and it was so weird cuz my dad did the exact same thing and they were the lady at the end was like uh cuz the lady the practitioner was his mom and so um she's like I thought it was really interesting that you both like had the exact same reactions you both gravitated towards his knees when you could have been holding his calves or wherever and she's like and it's so weird because like he plays Sports and he's actually having knee problems right now and it was so weird and this was kind of like at the beginning of it all but like I was picking up on this kid's energy and it like because of that I like gravitated and I had those Impressions you know and my intuition my like abilities my gifts or being able to tap into that so as like bad as it is to like take on other people's energy right like we don't want to lose ourselves in other people or be overwhelmed because of other people but being able to have a balance and being able to take on that energy and like I I wouldn't say take on but but to interact with that energy is our gifts as so if you are empathic like if you are an empath you're probably like a little bit psychic at least and because of that you know you can tap into a lot of things like um about a year ago I made my husband and I go to the dermatologist and get like full skin checks because I was like I'm so worried about cancer right now like we're going to go to the dermatologist we're going to get everything checked top to bottom we got to do this and so we went and everything was fine but I found out my mom had also gone to the dermatologist and had melanoma oh wow and so I was like oh my gosh like I just felt like I was a crazy person because I was so worried I'm like oh my God we have to get our skin checked we have to get our skin checked and we did and like luckily we were okay but I was totally like picking up on my mom's energy and what she was going through and it like I I even told her I was like oh my gosh you're the reason why I've been having this thought because it just would not leave my mind and so it was so weird but like things like that are you know a way that my interacting with her energy was a little bit psychic and the worst part about our gifts are that we we don't get a direction we just have to follow it and so I did what I could but I should have called everyone and been like go go to the dermatologist today go to the dermatologist today but also by you going and setting an example maybe other people were like oh maybe I should go check this out too yeah I I remember telling everyone I talked to after I talked to my mom especially I was just like go get your skin checked I I went to the dermatologist go get your skin checked it's great like just everyone I talked to I was like have you checked your skin yet and I'm like well why not right if you're here you're trying to help people right yeah but I think that does make a good point though because like that's another way of transmuting some of this impath energy is that you can pick up there's a time and a place for everything but like you can pick up other people's things and just be like hey how are your knees doing and it is like a psychic ability but it is also like it's an exercise it's a muscle you have to like use it and fine-tune your skills because it's a gift excuse you please stop biting my book oh my gosh I thought I didn't have children yeah I'm actually really glad you brought that up Megan because I do think that there's a distinct difference there between feeling it and taking it so that's a huge part of my practice because I have I navigate that on people's or through people's bodies in my practice to find the spaces where they're holding like trapped emotion or trapped trauma so I have to be able to feel it that doesn't mean I take it I just find it and then work through it with them um and I think that a lot of times that can be scary for people because I think that you know a big part of it is learning how to create boundaries for yourself and so there's kind of this I think assumption that if you feel it then it's yours now like you've sucked it out of them or something when in reality you can feel it and not have ownership of it you know um just recognize that it's there and then be like okay I see you here's what we're going to do about it yeah feeling it doesn't Define you and your feelings don't Define you either it's just like something to notice and then what you do with the next is up to you right yeah exactly cat have you ever had an experience where somebody where you told them they were psychic or not psych what am I say did you ever have no I mean same thing I just was curious I mean same thing I think most people that can recognize that and other people are like they're not really approachable about it um or they totally are um I haven't really um been like prompted to say anything to anybody cuz also I do feel like a lot of times people will get there on their own and they should get there on their own because I think that that's a part of the journey um but I just was curious if that had ever come up for either one of you yeah I can't think of a time like I can think of that time when I was told a entally that I was like picking up on something um but yeah not a time that I have really told somebody I would say that I've noticed it in people before but I usually it's like my son like he totally is and he'll say something to me and I'll just be like well it's okay like that's a big emotion is it your emotion like do you feel that way process it and then move on but okay just to kind of change a little bit of pace not pace but just topic but not topic here's another thought I'm manic um so I I was listening to a podcast to kind of like prepare because like I said I haven't done a lot of empath empath like study I've definitely done a lot of like grounding protecting like that kind of study because I have an aura that swiss cheese apparently but when I was listening to a podcast they mentioned like if you work in an office building sure there's all the people that are there but think of the lighting so many people will talk about like how horrible flent for florescent lighting is but they don't realize that like it's the way that energy moves through that light bulb is like creating this like chaotic energy right and so it's like an LED is a lot more like clean and just like a small amount of energy is going into it to make it bright and so it's just so interesting because I had never really thought of like empaths picking up on energy that is from inanimate objects or like activities not people you know so I thought that was really interesting your phone yeah have either of you a phone's a great example I put shut on my phone because yeah yeah and near my routers I have three shanai pyramids uh I have coils and all the things for the EMF protection and I know flight attendants that have EMF uh insoles for their shoes when they fly oh yeah I was going to say when I worked in an office like full-time at a desk eight hours a day I definitely could notice like maybe not So Much from the lighting but from the computer like the computer screen and like all the energy and everything that's happening and the blue lights and the flickering and like all of the things just like coming at you for eight hours a day it's really intense highly recommend a blue light um like screen protector a grounding mat and anything EMF protecting if you are sitting in an office job highly recommend yeah 100% even on my computer and my phone both have blue light protectors um I need to put a Shan guide on my laptop probably yeah I did have a little tiny story yes um okay so one time at band camp sorry I like been sitting in front of this laptop all day and I'm caffeinated um okay like I need to get outside and like do things I've been like cooped up sick okay so this one time I went to a retreat and it was like kind of crazy because we're out of nature it's beautiful Retreat and all new people everyone was like no one knew each other no one knew each other from Adam or anything but um there was like some big releases of energy um around the campfire towards the end of the night and like people were crying working through some like pretty heavy stuff but what I thought was interesting actually which made me take into account um later is that the empaths that were there woke up the next day feeling worse and it was some sort of a disconnect between everyone trauma dumping and no one Bridging the Gap for the people who were very sensitive to pick up all that loose energy just swirling around and they were waking up like I feel tired I had weird dreams like I feel like so emotional and I know why and I was like wow this is just like interesting for like group stuff to realize like they're traa dump but also let's go through the motions of what needs to happen for those participating and watching and holding space as well because like you said that energy has to go somewhere and we were at a fire but we weren't didn't designate anything to like put it into so I think that the bowl of water would have even been helpful in that scenario mhm yeah yeah it is crazy how quickly like I really feel like a big part of mob mentality is like empathic like once somebody gets hyped up and gets in this Vibe it's like contagious like that's like picking up on other people's Vibes that's being empathic so like it goes in all sorts of different ways you know like M mentality is totally like everyone starts getting in this place and there's nowhere for the energy to go so it's just cycling into everyone all the time like all over the place in the crowd yeah um which is can be super overwhelming and obviously dangerous if it gets left to just run wild and it just builds and builds and builds and builds until it's just like chaos yeah yeah which actually leads me to an interesting question how do you know you're we're talking about picking up energy so how do you know if it's an anxiety that you should be paying attention because it's a warning or how do you know that you're picking up other people's like anxious energy does that make sense yeah okay I feel like and I still have a hard time like completely directing this but you usually if I get a very very specific something that's usually for me like it's like hey uh don't drive with your friend tonight like either you drive or don't go and that was like the the the thought I had and I was just like well that's weird but like we were driving to Evanston together and I was just like is there like should I drive and she's like no no it's fine like I'll drive and I'm like this is I I don't know I'm like maybe I'm just being crazy and then we went and we got in a car wreck on our way and it was like it stopped our trip it was just like a trip out and back so it like stopped our trip we like the car wreck ended up being super bad I had to have like luckily like our car was not too injured and both of us were very safe and we both got to go home that night like straight from the wreck but like the car that hit us flipped and like there's all this crazy stuff that happened and like it was this huge chain of events that like luckily yeah like luckily we're all okay but it was so specific of a like anxiety CU sometimes I'll be like oh man money it sucks and I'll be like Oh No like is this something that I should beay like stopping to do something to address this or is this just like something else and so I feel like when it's you know that intuitive hit for myself or my energy like I have done a pretty good job of being like Oh how specific was it like did it give me a call to action and now I have to do one of these things those are mine but if it's you know just kind of a hey here's like a weird idea but like maybe you should like you know can't there's skin cancer and I'm like okay skin cancer okay like what do I do with this I guess I'll just go to the doctor so um those are kind of what helped me I also like to do things to help me tune into my own energy so aside from just like calling in um as a practice I will read cards for myself and you know draw a card in a morning and see kind of what direction I'm taking or if I have a situation that I have questions about I will draw cards about those or I'll meditate or even just journaling um there's something I can't remember who started this but there's like your morning Pages where you just sit down and you just handw write three pages it doesn't matter like if you finish thoughts or what you say in it like nothing that you put down matters you just start getting it out and I have processed so much of like what's for me what's not by just doing this because I'll just be like oh cancer okay that was weird and then now I'm going to talk about my day and it helps me like redirect or like things that I notice coming up consistently in warnings is I'm like oh I should be doing this you know I oh yeah I need to be getting this better and so when I'm doing my own practice and I'm making time for my own practice is when I feel like I'm kind of checking in with those those hits that I get or those like um the feelings that I'm like is this mine should I be doing something with this like what what needs to happen and those are obviously like I have time to process them generally but I don't I'll have to think a little more if I do anything like in the moment like if I'm out somewhere or something but cat do you have yeah I think I mean I think a big part of that is really knowing yourself and the way that your intuition speaks to you because for me I just ask I just ask it or I'll ask you know somebody in my crew um and by crew I mean like people you can't see that hang out with me Spirit crew um yeah um so so I'll just ask and then like I know myself and my intuition enough to be like oh yeah that's mine or no that belongs to that dude over there or whatever it is um every once in a while I can't tell and usually when I can't tell it's both so like when I flew back from San Diego a couple weeks ago I didn't really check the weather because it was like middle of August um and I had checked the weather before I left and so and everything looked good but then like that big storm rolled through anyway so when I dropped off the rental car on my way back to Salt Lake after I dropped off the rental car and we were like headed to get on the shuttle to go to the airport from the rental car place I just had this like super overwhelming wave of anxiety of like maybe I shouldn't fly and like that's the worst [ __ ] feeling you can ever get right before your get about to go on an airplane like I'm not a great flyer in general like I do get some anxiety around flying even though I know like the mechanics of it and the way that like you know jet streams work and turbulence is normal and like all the things like I still am kind of an anxious flyer anyway so I couldn't tell um if that was like my anxiety or just like General airport anxiety so I went into the bathroom and generally so then I'll muscle test if I can't tell do you guys know what muscle testing is um but you should tell for anyone that doesn't yeah for anyone that doesn't it's where you kind of create a baseline of a yes and a no so I do it by swaying like a lot of people will do it by like interlocking their fingers or like pushing on a hand and then like you create a baseline of a yes and a no and then you ask a question and if you know your Baseline is that no is we you'll you'll be able to move your arm pretty easily if if the answer is no I do it by swaying so I'll get grounded I'll get centered and focused I'll create a baseline show me a yes in this moment I'll usually rock forward show me a no in this moment I'll rock back and then I'll ask a Baseline Baseline question my name is Catherine yes I'm um a lizard alien no so I have a baseline like yes or no like a very obvious yes and a very obvious no and then I'll say you know like this anxiety that I'm feeling belongs to me yes this anxiety also belongs to other people yes am I safe to continue on my journey today yes am I safe to be on this airplane yes like all of the things like just checking in with myself and kind of you know the energy around me or the energy of the universe um anyway so then that was the flight that got like delayed in the sky where we had a circle around for 45 minutes over Cedar City because the storm was like real bad at the airport so we couldn't land and then we hit the storm coming through and the turbulence was crazy so like obviously there was something that you know like the energy was like it's off but it's you you'll be fine you know like you're going to get through it but there's something happening right so the whole time on the plane I was like you know like that's so weird that I would be so anxious like everything's fine and then as soon as the pilot came on I was like oh [ __ ] okay this is it but then I still knew everything would be fine in the end you know good yeah so that's how I test um to see like if I can't generally tell because sometimes when you get like a huge wave of anxiety it kind of knocks you out of your Center and so then you're kind of like I don't know you know um so then I use Muscle testing if I can't if I'm feeling like I don't know if my intuition is like super on point right now because my anxiety's pinging at a hundo um feel like I was going to say something else but now I can't think of it anyway so that's generally how I feel through it that's a good one very good Julie do you have any ways that you I'm trying to think if there's anything specific but I kind of I'm kind of similar to like cat where I just kind of like ask um a little bit like more probing questions like uh is there anything I need to do differently than what is I'm on track to do right now you know I don't know some sometimes it just feels different like it comes from like a anxiety from like too many people or something comes from like my heart center whereas like worry or being prepared for an instant comes from more like my gut um and I just like know that whatever is about to happen is about to be wrong and can change course um if there's still time but usually my gut and sometimes like I have flashes in advance to like premonition I I knew about my car accident before it was going to happen U which was same weird yeah that's so shitty CU it's it is shitty you kind of know but you don't fully know and also you don't know like the when or the where you just like have a Vibe about it oh God that was the worst yeah I knew my car was going to get total I didn't know like much else other than that but yeah it sucked wow that's crazy yeah I like what you said about kind of kind of like where the energy comes from whether it's yours or not um I feel like almost everything from my neck down is not my energy like if I feel something in any of those like energy centers and it feels like it's like radiating I'm like that's not me like I'm pulling this in from somewhere else um like my head and like third eye Crown like those are so much more where my like my messages come through for myself that I'm like oh this is for me like or you know I'm anxious like I can feel all the wheels turning and I think that's part of why I associate like a direct message with my own anxieties is because it's it's in my head like that's how I process that's where it happens and you know I have the thought versus is when it's like oh man something feels off I'm like this isn't mine like somebody around me is not feeling great like when I feel like I'm just picking up a Vibe of something I'm like okay and usually it's you know neck down definitely not in my throat my throat is me but from there down if I'm feeling anything big it's it's sometimes I'm like Oh weird but I will like if I'm anxious I'll feel it in my throat like if something's going to happen the day that we went to the um I told you guys I had like a coughing attack when I got to the Utah energy Healing Center oh yeah I like oh coughed my head off and then I had like this and I just like sat there and I was like wow I have to like clear my throat and so I'm like just standing there waiting for everything to kind of get started and I was just like doing like ohms and like just trying to clear it felt like there was something caught in my throat and like I was coughing out loud and I was just like what is happening like this is the weirdest thing but like that not in my throat ended up like totally I needed to do some work and like get centered because I had a crazy experience right after that and so it's just so like it's just a lot to like take on and it's weird like that's the first time I like I've gotten things felt like had were stuck in my throat but that's the first time that something so like clear happened with like an energy like almost blockage and then immediately like LED on to something that I was like oh I needed to be prepared for this to happen yeah you literally had to clear your throat Shakra because you had to use it yeah that's what I was just gonna say but yeah so I would say like I I can tell what energy Parts in my body are mine you know and what's going to affect me versus like I think that's the most important right yeah knowing what's yours knowing who you are knowing what your feelings are and I think the older we get the better we're gonna get at this there's a benefit to getting older guys I found it y we might figure out all this chaos I I feel like something that does kind of manifest and if you think of it a lot of the times in high school like the popular kids are end up growing up to be like the meaner ones it's kind of a Trope kind of a stereotype so I'm not trying to say this is everybody but I almost think it's like the people who didn't you know need to do the work then were the people who they had the their own energy they were putting it out there and everyone was like gravitating towards that energy and as they grew up they never learned how to have the exchange of energy that people need to like have a wholesome relationship right like you have to be willing to let down your boundaries and let other people in and like also I mean just empathy in general if you're not willing to hear out someone's emotions and those kinds of things uh one of the podcasts I listened to talked about how empaths seem to attract narcissists a lot because you are picking up their energy you're willing to like give you want to help them heal that energy um because you're making it your own problem right like you're taking it on you're like oh my goodness like let's let's get through this together and I wish I knew that in my 20s and then you're kind of like attracting the people right who have the problems and then you're working on their problems for them and so they're just like okay like yeah thank you please take care of this for me I'm G to keep living my life the exact same way that brings up my ex yeah I think it's one of the most um kind of blatant ways that people don't think about that Opposites Attract like because empaths are like give give give narcissists tend to be like take take take empaths are very situationally aware they're looking outside all of the time scanning for new information you know picking up bits of information and narcissists are really like only looking at themselves so it's like they're two like it's total opposites um that find this weird way of like feeding off of each other because of it um obviously if you don't have healthy boundaries around it um and it's crazy too because almost without fail even like the best of us that are like I know like I know the red flags I know on my see them still get pulled in man literally my whole summer yeah and now I'm friends with the new oh man that's wild but I think also like okay so you're saying narcissists are looking at themselves but I think they're looking at themselves in a mirror like superficially where like empaths take more time like introspectively so they recognize things they're like take more quiet time we're usually a narcissist doesn't have a whole lot of quiet time right yeah it's like it's like um kind of the flip too there of empaths tend to be a little bit more introverted like we're very introspective Ive we always want to be cultivating and doing things on the inside and narcissists tend to be a little bit more extroverted because they don't want to look at the inside they want to be distracted by the flashy shiny whatever light at all times yeah yeah it's so interesting but they don't stop and do that reflective work because like I think like you said anybody could be an empath and I always say anybody could be a Healer but you have to do that inner work and like know who you are what your energy is and like get to that level yeah for sure for sure well and I think also of like energy vampires right so almost in a way that they are empathic but not in a way that they're trying to help people process whatever's happening or that they're they're just doing it it totally different right they're not trying to transmute that energy into anything to benefit someone and they're not trying to stop it from coming in they're trying to take it you know and so they're Clinging On not Clinging On but they're like attaching to people and um a lot of the time I feel like they will use a story to reel in an empath an empath who's like oh my goodness like I'm going to help you with that I want to help you get the house that you need for your children like and but those people end up just kind of pulling in so much more than they um than they ever give to a relationship and that just kind of is like crazy thing after crazy thing just kind of happens I also feel like a little bit it can happen with people who have the victim mentality but I mean narcissism victim mentality and then like energy vampires kind of all fall under the same sort of energy Exchange right like people who aren't necessarily giving energy they're more they're just taking it and um I think yeah and I think there's a lot of crossover there too because I think that there are like narcissistic people that are very in tune with energy they just use it to take energy um but they do know how to manipulate it very very well in that kind of way I think that almost like you're probably two of those three things you're probably narcissist victim energy vampire at least probably like two of some overlap at all times I think so yeah I'm I'm noticing some patterns yeah but I do think that if people that are like that um eventually can recognize it I think those people also can become very very powerful empathic people like it's it is inside of them it's just like inverse like they're it's like the same skill set almost it's just inverse where instead of feeling other people's things they want other people to feel them like they want the love they want feel how I'm feeling and love me instead of oh I feel how that person feels if that back outside with the radio yeah feel my feelings yeah and I just ruined that movie for everyone spoiler alert he was a narcissist I'm just kidding I don't remember that movie 30 years later spoiler alert yeah yeah I I totally agree cat that's great additions it's so I the ener like every relationship we have is some sort of energy exchange and so it's all about protecting your own energy and you know when you are working with other people's energy like again it all kind of comes back to ethics and I know our next podcast to be released but the one before this will be about ethics and it all comes down to kind of consent like you don't want to be doing work for people who don't want it and I mean you both kind of touched on it when we were talking about noticing someone's being empathic but knowing they're not ready for that information is you know a way of like okay I'm kind of picking up on this thing but it's your thing and you know I'm going to talk with you about it or I'm going to work through it with you um I had a friend who like we just had a really rocky relationship when it came to communication and we had a huge falling out and then we kind of got back in each other's lives and I was like listen I just I as long as we can have open and honest communication I'm ready to be your friend like but that's my one and only thing and then it ended up kind of coming back you know that that was just too much to ask for her at the time and I was like that's fine but like I'm not going to keep trying to force this thing to happen just because you know I am invested to this point and so I think you know just making sure that even when people need that work done that we're we're only doing it with what we're given and like if somebody's anxious like I don't need to just say hey you shouldn't be anxious and like soothe them away I can get rid of their anxiety like through me that I'm like okay well I don't want this like I'm not going to keep your anxiety but I'm not going to be like hey let me just get rid of all your anxiety um without talking to that person about it because one they're not going to process stuff unless they're also working on it and two like it's not my responsibility to just get rid of someone's emot to respect people's Journeys and where they're at you know and that's like a hard lesson in my 40s because I'm watching some of my 20-year-old friends make the dumbest [ __ ] decisions and I'm like okay sometimes you just got to make respect people in the journey that they're at if I sometimes I'll even be like hey do you want my advice because if not that's cool but if you do I probably wouldn't do that you car if if you want to learn an easier lesson I can maybe give some advice because I did the dumb things too yeah I definitely think that's a hard place to navigate for sure because a a lot of us do have some experience that we're like I can see where this may go but also I definitely think that there's a level of ego that gets involved that makes us want to step in and stop it or fix it oh my God to be like I know better I know better than the universe and the path that you're on so do the things that I say instead of what you're already doing you know yeah um and it can be hard right because on one hand we're like I I I can see where this may go I've had a bad experience in the same line of things I don't want that to happen for but we don't actually know if that's going to be their same path just because it was our path and intervening you know may make it so that instead of them going on this path now they're going to go on this path to come back right to where they were supposed to be in the first place like we just don't know what is in other people's paths but it definitely is hard I mean for sure I have experienced that with friends and now as a parent trying to circumnavigate when my intervention is warranted and when I need to let them trip and fall and just let them know like I'm here to help pick you back up but I can't always stop the fall you know it's really hard I think that's one of the harder things about being a human is knowing when to intervene on somebody's path and when to just hold space um for them on whatever their journey is yeah I think that's been one of my harder lessons I think especially as an empathic person because then we also like feel it inside of ourselves and we're like uh and I think empathic people also have a lot easier time recalling our own emotions of like events that have happened so that makes it even worse it's not like I remember that made me feel bad it's like as soon as you think of it you feel the feeling of that moment inside of your body so we're like I don't want them to have this feeling um so we try to I think we try to be helpful but I definitely think that sometimes it's my mom always when I was a kid she was like you can't save them all because I was like the collector of the fry like all the kids that like were you know latchy kids which I also was you know but like I just wanted to scoop them up and help them and like I have this thought like if I just hang out with them then they won't she won't smoke cigarettes anymore or they won't do this thing anymore which actually ended up the opposite thing happen you know then I'm like oh I feel like you're having fun so this must be fun yeah but now I try to think about that too like you can't save them all it's not your you're not a savior I'm not a savior that's not my job to save people my job is to support people where I can and share what I know because it may resonate with people and help them on their path but you know like I wouldn't even necessarily call myself a Healer because I don't do the healing like I support you while you do the healing um but there is I think a huge part of our natural ego that just wants to scoop in I think probably especially as women because we are a little bit more nurturing that we want to like just hold everybody like little baby birds just be like I'll save you I want to do it without the touching part I'm a Capricorn I'm like there there here's some tissues and some spaghetti yeah I they're there yeah I love that cat I totally agree especially like as being a mom right because I can put myself in my shoes of like Teenage me and me and my mom clashed so much that I am like okay how can I avoid that but still like instill lessons and be supportive um L I'm not luckily but my kids are still young so I'm not really to the point yet where they're not willing to take my advice but you know how how does it happen when you do you know I there's a book called parenting with love and logic and it's all about like H having your kids have the experiences and make the decisions and learn and then at the age of 12 you become an advisor you know and because that's how you get kids to not just rebel against you right because they're going to make their mistakes you can't force them to not make those mistakes especially at that age because they're just going to go behind your back and make the mistakes so it makes me think of that um kind of style and it's you know we we can be advisers on your journey we can help guide and support wherever you need it but it's still your journey and um I think that that as an empath is something just just important to learn like is to let go of the oh I'm going to take care of the problem that so many of us feel responsible for you know like oh you feel this way like I felt that way I can make it better like I can do these things and anyway yeah I love that I so my I have a friend who um he was a a true and devout like member of the church and he his brother fell away and his brother was so anti and he was like you need to leave you should leave here's all the reasons you should leave but my friend was like no I'm going to stay and it was almost like the fact that his brother was so persistent about him needing to leave that that friend stayed and that friend stayed for so long and then as an adult was like well this doesn't sit right but because he was like so stubborn against what his brother's advice was he just would not even consider it for the longest time and so like he had this he had to have the journey way later in life um and there's there is something to be said that when we try to interfere that it's going to you know push people maybe they'll get to that path eventually but they're probably going to Veer off to a different space because we're trying to force them into the box yep for sure yeah I like that example for sure yeah that was my like youth my parents were like don't do this don't do this and I was like I'm going to go live my life I need to experience things I'm going to make a lot of dumb decisions and it's gonna be amazing yeah somehow I'm still alive um just to Riff on something that cat said cat you mentioned that empaths emotions are connected to Memories you kind of said and I agree 100% at least that my personal emotions are my memories and it's one of the reasons like I have a lot of like I'll think back to like relationships that I've had with people and I'm like oh yeah we had like such a good time because a majority of the time we did and then maybe this one thing happened that I had totally was unemotionally connected to but then they'll bring it up and I'll be like oh my gosh that's right that did happen you know and it I like it just is totally gone because it wasn't part of my emotional like processing of that friendship you know and so um I definitely agree strongly that for me my emotions are almost more of my memory than like actual events are I'll be like oh yeah I remember feeling this way that night but I don't remember what happened anyway do either of you have that experience or do you think that it's empath specific or that it could just be indivual I think it's everyone you know like if you've ever seen the movie Inside Out they kind of hit on the psychology behind that that like a lot of your emotion is tied to memory um I just think that with empathic people we feel it more like I think other people just like that I remember that made me happy but that doesn't make them feel happy in the moment that they're remembering it I think empathic people have the ability to think of that memory and then like they get a drop of Serotonin like then they will actually feel physically happy just thinking of the memory and now when I want to like lock a core memory like if I'm having a super fun time doing something I will like make it in intention like remember this feeling of happiness in this moment right now so that I can like because I know that in the future I'll be able to pull back to it and now I have like specific memories where I can think of them and I will literally start laughing because I'm like oh my God that was so funny and like I'll feel the whole experience almost of that memory yeah yeah exactly in my in the now time and I'm not sure that everyone has the ability without working on it um to physically feel it in your body if that makes sense yeah that think that's something that I've kind of struggled with because I felt very like detached from my emotions I was like a pastor's kid very good at masking but I was pretty much like uh what's not kind of asro projecting what's it what is it called in the psychology World disassociating Super dissociative I like missing like giant pieces because there was like so much rep repetition as a kid of listening to the sermons and traveling and doing these things and like literally just meeting so many people constantly so I have like a pretty big chunks of like memory like missing but as an adult I've done active work of like okay remember this feeling um associated with such and such so like creating these little like mood portals to like go back and like if I had excess energy this is what my Baseline energy feels like now this is where I'll store extra happiness this is where I'll store safety and comfort so I can go quickly to those memories and access those feelings um but yeah I didn't learn how to do that until way later more recently for sure yeah yeah I didn't learn how to do that either until um like within probably the last four five years maybe yeah I think it was mine was with her mushrooms because you know you got to have that like where's your happy safe space in case something goes wrong um and yeah finding those happy places are really where you make those uh portals for those other days yeah thanks cool I did have another thought and I cannot remember what it was now sorry oh well it is what it is it wasn't important that's fine Winston stop attacking it there will be more podcasts yeah and it all intertwine too So eventually it'll come back around to it yeah exactly cool do you feel like we've done a good job kind of covering the topic or does anybody else have any other additions or questions or or anything I'm good on my end I was going to like interview a couple of my friends that are like super empaths that are on different Journeys because I'm just curious to hear like what everyone's things are because maybe we can all find something that works for us that's new you know yeah yeah I love it what works for me might not work for you yeah yeah maybe maybe I'll put a call here that says if you consider yourself an empath or if you've had an experience that you like was empathic or what your journey is reach out to us like give us a call 1800 let us know man send us a message or you know reach out we would love to get a chance we could get together on Zoom or um create a video or something and we'd love to hear your your story send us a message we're on all the places are email would probably be the best place at Academy of logic and life gmail.com um and yeah we would love to hear if you have any stories or if you have any fun topic ideas that you want to hear us talk about um or if you maybe want to guest star on one of our podcasts or if you're interested in teaching a class with us we're just trying to help break down the boundaries that are up around these spiritual practices and help make it accessible to people and yeah just help people on their Journeys figure out where they're going I'm super excited for our Retreat and I know we've talked a lot about like different psychic abilities and how empathy kind of can be looked at uh with your intuition and different ways that you're picking up hits and that's a lot of what my workshop at our Retreat is going to be about is helping people recognize when their intuition is talking to them and when it might be somebody else you know and helping you define that about yourself and learn how to tap into your own personal power when it comes to these things and make your gifts work for you so that's what my workshop and retreat at The Retreat is going to be all about is really harnessing our intuition and learning a little bit about the Claire's um Clairvoyance Clare cognizance CLA sentience like there's I mean there's like at least six but um we'll talk about those and we'll have some fun exercises to do as well and those will kind of lead into some of our other workshops and yeah help us connect you know it's so funny when you were like oh it's going to be about empaths I was like what the [ __ ] am I going to say about empaths for an hour and now it's been two hours like oh [ __ ] actually there was a lot more in there than I thought there was yeah that's why I was like listening to podcasts and like trying to do all the stuff like while I'm taking care of kids I was like I need as much empath stuff as I can get because I don't even know what I would say about them and then as I was listening to things or like things would come up I'm like oh okay I guess that like and that's why I had the answer I did at the beginning was only because I had done all this like introspection while I was listening to empath stuff that I was like okay it's what I call my lik my abilities is my empath yeah I think it's just a term that we could just like build off of but one of those like psychic like yeah yeah yeah heer I mean it's just it's a a more acceptable form and it's not saying hey you need to harness it it's just like identifying an attribute that you have and how you can either protect yourself and keep yourself safe and not interact with other people's energies or how if you are interacting with other people energies how to do it in a way that you're not absorbing it and without being like super woo woo because because like there's no way my dad would have told me about it if he had ever considered the word empath to be woo woo yeah yeah he was trying to keep me away from the culty stuff but yeah and I do think a lot of that like with the words specifically because empath is just one of them like I also don't like healer and like I think it's just my own [ __ ] because I don't like the way that those words are like abused mhm and like so over like you know I I turn they just make me those words just make me think of the girls that all have long blonde hair and all wear the same hat and go to the weekend retreat and now they're leading with light and love and all they do yeah the bypassers the Instagram models yeah those words just make me think of that and I'm just like talk people you ruin yeah well and yeah I I am totally with cat and it's probably also why I don't like gravitate towards angel numbers either it's because I'm just like this has become too mainstream in a way that I just don't love and because like sure maybe I could learn about it and like have my own relationship with those things like even our uh our name Academy of logic and light I was like I don't know how I feel about that like I I love what it's portraying I love what it's trying to say but I'm like okay we got to reframe it yeah exactly well and that's what I was talking with my friend Caitlyn who's come to a couple of the events now and I was talking to her and she was like I just like I'm not a love and light girlly I was like neither are we that's the point like it's logic and light not love and light because we want to bring everything together we're not trying to be like let's just pretend it does doesn't exist and it's fine no we're trying to be like girl get in here we're working on [ __ ] let's use some logic yeah and she and like yeah she's come to a couple events and she's like I love it like you guys are great and what you're doing is awesome and I was like see it's fine it's all good yeah thanks for joining the all podcast to find out more you can find us online at academyof logic andl light.org or on Facebook YouTube Instagram and Tik Tok at academyof logic andlight if you live in the Salt Lake Valley we'd love to see you at one of our upcoming 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