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welcome to the all podcast we're the Academy of logic and light I'm Megan I'm cat I'm Julie we are an ethical Community Education platform that provides a safe space for people to practice their spirituality without indoctrination welcome everyone back to the all podcast I'm Megan and I'm here with Julie and oh other way cat we also have charlin with us and we're so excited to you join us and um you know jump on to be one of our guests on our podcast and all of the fun things um out ofate podcast awesome well we're so glad to have you um charlon can you tell us a little bit about you know yourself kind of your background and what it is that you're like doing how you're kind of involved in our magical Community well um it's great to be here and um where do I begin um I guess I've kind of always known I've been an empath and clar cognizant I've kind of always known when things were going to happen before they happened um was always very nurturing very like empathetic towards people animals um sometimes I would feel like I would have other people's energy like I I would be in a good mood and then all of a sudden I would be in a bad mood and I wouldn't know why and then I ended up starting to get guided to different kinds of stones so I would start researching stones and then I caught myself um being really interested in herbs and then uh started interested in being with uh cards so I started reading for myself and then um that stopped a little bit because you know life got busy and whatever you know I've been a nurse for over 15 years so so I've had and then I should actually thought like in childhood um I can remember making potions in my backyard Gathering all these different kinds of herbs and anything I could find um making potions dancing in the rain um looking up at the moon and the stars uh you know just just really loved rocks I was always looking at the Rocks Gathering rocks I had a rock collection when I was growing up um but yeah so it stopped for a little while and then I don't know one day I just I had a snap like I just snapped I had more than one person could handle in a lifetime I had um by the time I was 40 mainly 30 I lost both my parents at an early age um I was nine months pregnant when my father passed away and then my mom passed away uh five years later so that was hard but what's funny well not funny but ironic I guess is a good word to say is my dad passed away June 2nd 2009 my mom passed away June 4th 2014 my son was born June 24th of 2009 yeah so they're with them you know they're they're with him and um I don't know I just between that and then I had a lot of financial struggles had a divorce had a lot of financial struggles um you know got through all those somehow made it made it through having cancer my 40th birthday I was diagnosed with ovarian and cervical cancer um you know got past that and throughout this but I was seeing signs and synchronicities like I kept seeing ch ch ch and 3 three three and you know I would be guided to different things or um you know I would see a deer and I kept hearing in my head research the spiritual meaning of a deer and I was just really really drawn to it or certain things I was really drawn to and that's how I started opening up is the more I saw the signs the more I started opening up and um started realize and then I they were guiding me to um you know focus on me being an empath and learning about me being an empath and how I'm a star seed um that's a whole another section but um then it was probably about five years ago maybe six um my dad came to me and he because I was channeling I I was doing card readings and I used um my messages from heaven and all of a sudden I felt this weight on me and I started balling my eyes out like like he had just died like just balling balling balling hysterically could not stop and I heard his voice and he a second he started talking to me and telling me about our family Legacy and how we're all mediums and um you know we all have the psychic ability and how um how strong I am and you know how proud he is of me that I broke the generational curse and because you know the rest of our family you know didn't want to he said hear it trying to make a joke um so it was me that you know it it I realized it took my dad to pass away in order for me to come into my gifts and as much as it saddens me I'm grateful for him for that too and I know I'm going jumping everywhere and I apologize but I don't know you're good that's great so um you put that you're the owner of evolving energy can you tell us a little bit about what that is and kind of you know how it works in your day-to-day life and what you do with it yeah um well not only am I a psychic medium um I'm in an empath I'm also an Natural Born healer uh so um and I'm also a raike master so I focus a lot like people just being in my presence or around me is is comforting and is cleansing for them as an energy healer as a natural energy healer and um so as I started growing into my gifts and learning more about myself and spirit guided me to different shows and movies and books and websites I brought that all in now to help other people um I do Soul readings so that's my gift is I mainly do Soul readings is not what you want to hear but what you need to hear to be the best version of you what blocks you have um you know because sometimes you don't even realize that we have blocks that are blocking us from our best and highest timeline because we think we really got rid of it but we didn't because because it's still very deep down inside and my job with my readings in spirit is to get you to realize what blocks and what obstacles you have in order to become the best version of yourself and maybe what gifts you have along the way because everybody has gifts you're just when you're ready to tap into them I you know I do what gifts you have um how you tap into your gifts all these in a in a soul reading um you know hope closure just relief and then I do energy cleansing which is all everything that you have on a daily basis um and all your traumas those all end up leading to aches and pain sometimes because all the chakras work on every part of the system so say if you're not very comfortable and you know you're not feeling safe and you're in financial you know you're financially insecure you're insecure about something you know you might have lower back pain you know and energy cleansing helps not only relieve that back pain but also helps relieve what it is that's making you have that back pain to help you bring it to the surface in order to release it whereas Reiki um when I do raiki it's just pretty much like it it's getting the ailment you know what I mean where energy cleansing is is more more in depth and then you have the healing where it's actually going in and going to even past lives so it's not only just this life it's it's past lives because yes it's true like not only does things in this life you know affect you but also past lives affect you as well that's why they call you know the generational curse and whether we break them or not I had to do a past liation today for my moik key right and it was not as fun as one would hope yeah like I've seen myself burned at the steak i' Yeah Yeah like oh damn and now I'm like proudest to call myself a witch why I am I'm a practicing witch and I'm proud of it why because I heal people you know with whether it's crystals that I use whether it's herbs whether it's energy healing um whether it's working with candles and doing you know some candle some candle rituals or aroma therapy where you know you know the colors that we use you know the scents that we use the herbs that we use all that I use for the better and to be more you know holistic but sometimes people say which as this is bad thing you know what I mean like I don't know yeah yeah say yeah people that think that way or believe that way it's they're very clearly indoctrinated by you know like movies oh the wicked witch the Witch is always the bad guy and like all the things but in reality the original medicine people the original healers were witches yeah witches Shaman anyone that was to not even just witches witches Shaman Indian anyone that was grounded to the Earth you know I mean they didn't have pharmacies way back in the day else did they heal right you know you use aloe vera on your skin when you have a bur everybody does that so is everybody a witch know I think so I that's one of my favorite things to point out is um if everyone if anyone ever is like oh you do these things I'm like well there's a little bit of witch and olves oh not in me you've never blown out candles over a birthday cake that's candle made a wish or how about you cook when you cook and you're making a meal you're using pepper guess what you're grounding and you're protecting you're using salt and sea salt or Himalayan salt guess what you're cleansing you don't even realize it you know what I mean you use cinnamon guess what you're you're cleansing your arteries you know you're putting in for that that um manifestation and that abundance because Cinnamon's all about abundance people don't even realize it yeah so I would say like a magic is anything that's done with intention so like every everyday activities can be magical you just have to put your intention into that it is magical and then it is exactly exactly I completely agree and that's why when you know people some people not everybody like some people say you know oh witch which okay well just like humans there's good people and there's bad people there's good witches and there's bad witches you know it's all about intention and how you do it and that could be with anything it doesn't even have to be you know with candles or anything it could be just saying anything out loud CU what we say what we think and what we feel all end up going into our surroundings so I want to ask you more about being a medium did you know from very early on that you are a medium or how did I just need to know everything because I'm interested in mediumship yeah no um my my dad when my dad passed away um it it's funny cuz a couple years prior to that I never realized like I would hear songs in my head and they would keep playing over and over and over again um and then I wouldn't think anything of it and then once I started getting guided to more things like crystals and stuff like that I started hearing voices um of spirit guide but then when my dad came through you know that's when my dad's like no you know you have the medium side too so I'm a psychic and a medium because you know all psychics are mediums but not all mediums are psychics so um but yeah my dad's the one who brought me through so that was probably about five six years ago so and what have you done to kind of like cultivate that like just like exercise wise uh just practicing trust trust trust trust that you what what you are receiving is truth you know um and just asking questions writing it down doing Auto Journal you know you know automatic writing and um I've done pendulum work you know to to talk with Spirit you know before I could hear them um and then I would just that's just how i' practice and then to get out of my comfort zone it's when I actually St going to people up in like grocery stores and um my delivery driver that you know delivered my bed but you know but as long as I get the word out there I guess whatever I just don't like when Spirit plays with me and I'm asking people and they said no no no and I'm like okay I'm gonna table it for now and then I see that same person a week later and then said you know when I saw you and you remember when you said that and I said yeah said oh they said now I know what you're talking about so Spirit needs to be a little bit more sometimes they can be very vague and then sometimes like they need to give me a little bit more totally I've had that experience as well yeah but whether you're talking to Spirit guides or whether you're talking um to past loved ones you know past loved ones like sometimes you hear their voice sometimes like it just comes through my in my voice that that was the hardest thing for me I think to decipher is is it is it me thinking this or is it really some something you know is is it really someone like that was the hardest thing so like my spirit team because I'm more psychic than I am medium like my mediumship like I I'm talking I talk more with Spirit guides and and Archangels and um to get you know the soul readings and everything and when people need um healing or closure or Hope from a past loved one that's when they come through so so um it's more like a secondary than a first does that make sense yeah yeah yeah that's when you can I ask you this question when you get like a message that is kind of like out of nowhere like at the grocery store or with your delivery um person how do you handle that like do you just trust that the person is able to receive that message or because it's coming through you give that message to them regardless no I always ask them first because sometimes spirit is hesitant and I think that's why sometimes um because if they're not ready to hear it and sometimes um I have a message for someone that actually isn't that person but it's for someone that that person knows um so like I'll always ask them like you know I you know do you know of someone and I asked them like you know if they passed away and you know whe they say yes cuz sometimes I'll get um names sometimes I'll feel how they passed and um I'll ask them about that and then I said all right well um and I let them know that I'm a psychic medium and then I'll like I'll have Spirit give me some kind of like all right you need to give me something more to go on now like now that that they know that I'm talking with you give me something else so they'll either show me um symbols or they'll give me a date um you know or they like I said like they'll they'll I'll feel how they passed away and it is it's all about trust it really really is I don't know if you guys have any more questions about like psychic stuff I kind of want to go back to uh the idea of I love that you worked as a nurse for so long and like then you kind of transitioned into this healing did you kind of feel that healing calling while you were working as a nurse or do you think that's kind of why you ended up in that position or um I gu which came first like how do they do they tie together at all for you or is it kind of separate no I believe it all ties into me because everything happens for a reason whether it's good or bad and um you know I believe it helped me a a great deal on my journey whether I realize it or not helping people even just being around me um being being an empath being able to pick up on them you know and how they're feeling and what their pain is um you know a good nurse cries when your patient cries and laughs when your patient laughs you know and I got to feel a lot of different energies which has helped me on my journey and I think I did a great deal of good with trying to bridge the eastern and western medicine together because I have a lot of you know friends that are nurse practitioners too you know and you see more and more hospitals working with energy healing I have a friend who is a a PT here and they were sponsored by their work to like go get raiki certified so I do appreciate that it's starting to like work more into the system of like there is a value to the individual that is an important factor of medicine that's been left out for a while absolutely because I just I look back at myself and you know like I don't even hear an aunt anymore you know I in the way I see about healing especially being in the medical field um I'm what I can say is I'm really really thankful that holistic medicine is starting to be on the rise absolutely totally yeah we need it I mean it's not advantageous from a prophet perspective which the United States etical industry is a for-profit industry to think of the body as a whole to think of a person as a whole I think that's why for so long it's like separated into like physical mental emotional spiritual all of those things are a whole person but like they we've been taught for so long that like you go to this doctor to do this thing you go to this person to do this thing to like keep ourselves separated but so much of spirituality um is becoming proven things that people have known for a millennia proven by science now you know like even the capacity that your brain has to self-heal is now starting to be proven by science so to keep those things separated doesn't make sense but it is interesting to see the integration in Western medicine which is phenomenal I think other places in the world have been doing it far better for far longer than we have but we're getting there and that's hopeful yeah it's because they no one can see it they want to see it you want they want to see what they can't you know they want to pay for it they want to be able to see it it's like they don't want to just believe and trust yeah yeah you know it's it's a shame you know and I'm glad that things are starting to turn around you know and hope that you know there is more love and light in the world and you know we can re you know have awareness and raise people spiritually and let people find their higher s you know I love what I do it gives me so much joy and satisfaction knowing that I'm helping people I can't even be begin to describe how it affects me like how I love it I I just I can't I can't express it enough and when they come back to me and and they tell me their stories you know and they're thanking me I just like don't thank me I just guided you you did all the work you just needed to be shown you know do you do most of your work like in person or do you do virtual sessions or how does that work I do in person and I do virtual cool so I can do it all over yeah I love it very you're in Massachusetts right yes the accent didn't get you but um can you tell us where people can find you oh yeah my website is evolving energy.com and you can find my info there I also have a clothing line that I started because I wore one uh one Shir with one metaphysical phrase when I was afraid to be who I was you know it's awkward and very frightening to be who you are when everyone else is so judgmental and the more I wore it the more confident I felt so I decided to do a clothing line of positive affirmations and spiritual journey related sayings to help people be able to express who they are even if you're not able to say it you can wear it and then when people say hey I like your shirt guess what you just found someone to match your soul tribe you know so I like to I like to do that too so that's also on my website I wanted to say something about that that's also about like me I like I'm I'm trying to raise awareness for everybody that's another way that I do it I love that and they're all infused with healing and positive energy oh I love it so when you're on your spiritual journey you need that little bit bit a boost there you go yeah so nice and I'm always looking for people when I'm like out and about like crystals like who's wearing what and I'm like okay these are my people bracelets yeah bracelets are one too you're like oh yeah eny bracelets just like casually mention something astrological and see if anyone bites yeah where my weirdos at right I'm even more of a weirdo when I'm going up to be like um excuse me do you know someone who's passed away named so and so was someone who has died like in a car accident like oh God being out of your comfort zone I was at an event a couple weeks ago and I kept getting this feeling and when I energy comes down me I'm always like like I can't breathe and then I start feeling what they went through and then I start seeing like a little vision and come to find out it was the tent of across from me her ex-boyfriend it was his best friend oh yeah yeah I bet that's just so alarming for some people but I'm sure other people are so messages yeah it's just it's it's scary though so like when you say like you know where's my other freaks at and I'm like my weirdos I'm like oh my God if they're thinking of freaking a weirdo cuz it's true I think that's a compliment it's so it's one of the hardest things to get out of your comfort zone and do that like really trust yourself and Trust spirit and go up to a complete stranger and do that yeah yeah absolutely I had an incident like that at a festival actually too and we were like waiting to get in line they kept Lo our ticket so like they couldn't find it so we're I just go and sit in the corner and meditate while my friends are like solving it and I got this like strongest message to tell the security guard this thing and I was like oh I'm not doing that I'm not talking to that one I don't talk to strangers and the message was like you have to go tell him this message it was so clear and I'm like oh no and then by the third time they were like if you don't tell him this message we're not giving you any more messages you're not be a good messenger and I was like and then I went up and told him the message and he was like you're the second person today to tell me that so they had really been trying to get that message through like fine I was stomping my feet I was like this is really weird but I have to do this I'm sorry he was like that's crazy yeah so much for free will grounded if you don't give this message you're grounded I felt like a f child for sure yeah but I did it y but isn't it scary but it's so rewarding once you do it yeah and then he like came and looked for me like the rest of the festival he's like hey how are you doing and I was like oh I like only message I got for you Mega that was it was isolated yeah you're like have you been drinking water like I told you to how long have you been doing your business for um probably about a year I would say about a year um and the closing line around the same yeah yep so I finally decided you know I always had the downloads to do it I just you know had to get out of my comfort zone so that's why it took me a while but here I am i' I've got a good well I don't know you can tell us so uh cat and I are both Al moms and how do you feel like raising kids in kind of this spiritual space like do you have any advice or like any thoughts on ways that it's kind of helped you or you've been able to oh oh yeah um absolutely um I'm completely different with my son than my parents were with me my son is actually CVO and he's an empath as well Apple doesn't fall fall far from the tree um but I'm very open and honest with him and he talks to me about it and he um like he'll trust his intuition and then he'll say Mom this is what I got am I you know what am I am I on it so I'll ask his Spirit guides and they say yep you know or they'll tell me we'll have him do this and I actually have him embrace it cool because he should that's the whole point of being your higher self is to be your authentic self and if you're not being you with your gifts you're not being authentic how old is your son can I ask he's 14 he's gonna be 15 oh okay so yeah I have a 14-year-old and a 15-year-old so right in that same area and my son's the same he's really pushed back the last couple of years he has um the ability to like see um people that have passed and he does not like it like it's it's scary for him and he started that very very young like he could like would talk to people and I'd be like who are you talking to and he'd be like so and so and then it would turn out that it was like somebody's cousin that had died at an early age or something um and as he got older he kind of got afraid of that he knows it's there he knows it's going to be there and that at some point he's going to have to deal with it um and he is really good about like now he's gotten good at making sure that he's not bringing people home with him because that used to be a thing that they knew that he could see them and like talk to them um and he would like just pretend like they're not there ignoring ignoring and he didn't have a strong ability to like okay you're I'm not ready to talk to you so you have to wait outside and I was constantly having to clear the house I'd be like bro brought somebody home again and now nobody can sleep and everything's in chaos you don't want to talk to them but they're waiting to talk to you you know like all these kind of funny things so um I like what you just said about that you're not yeah if you're not being about not being authentic um because I think that's really true and um he's just kind of struggling through it right now and I for myself anyway as a the person that I am it is interesting to kind of be have work on your whatever your CLA is um and kind of strengthen those tools and those gifts that we have as a parent because I do think that I also parent very very differently in the way that I allow my kids to do things or sometimes I'll say no to something that's like seemingly innocuous and they'll be like well why can't I go to this thing why can't I go and I'll be like I don't know why you can't but you're not going to that thing you know and it will come out later that like somebody was drinking or a fight broke out or you know whatever it is that you know you just have the gut feeling you're just like it's just not happening today that's just not I don't have the answer to why always but I know enough to trust that always and you have to trust me as a parent to know that I will always have your best interest even if I don't know right now the reason behind it um so I love that your son is really embracing it and developing those tools he wasn't ready at first um it was a little too much um so you can actually close his psychic door like you can have him picture a door and he's shutting it and he sits there and says my psychic door is shut I will open it when I'm ready so that way his door is shut no Spirits can come through and you can also talk to Spirit like a spirit team because a lot of times they don't realize from being on the other side that they don't realize that it could be scary because they don't know what it's like to be human like your spirit team because your spirit team is like the one who's like okay you're opening up the door so you know like it's like you have free will and he doesn't know enough to stop but he like Spirit can help protect him but unless he h like unless he says this is not what I want they they you know what I mean like it has to be free will even at any age so like he can close his psychic door and then anyone that has passed away that he's familiar with he can have them bring have him have them bring him into his mediumship skills you know um and when he's ready and ask them to do it slow and steady you know because a lot of times even when people are starting a waking and they're not you know seeing but they're empaths or their clar audient um and then they start seeing signs they seeing signs and synchronicities everywhere and then they get really overwhelmed you just got to talk to Spirit and be like listen you need to slow down you need to tell them how you want it and when you want it just talk to them as if they you and me having a conversation on what you want and what you don't want that's it's it's that easy yeah I love that it really is yeah thank you you're welcome that's really good information especially with this next genation coming in and how to support them too and then I feel like they are going to have more gifts than we even like can comprehend you know so it's just so nice that they get to be born into like parents who understand that I was like so jealous yeah because you know I'm seeing it more and more with my son's friends like they're all starting to awaken I feel it I feel it and I see it so you know they are the you know they are the generation that's you know I guess I kind of felt that the whole time like he was a you know like a Indigo child child like he just I knew it he was he was talking to Spirits when I think like six months old he he must have been seeing my father in in the crib because he was like up like this looking at the ceiling and then at 3 or four years old he was constantly talking in his sleep and I would ask him who he was talking to and then he would tell me and what he said he saw was my dad like the beard the green eyes you know the whole thing that's Granddad well and I think part of when you talk about like generational curses I think a big way and a big part of how we're healing them is not only by like working through the issues that we feel and we experience but also in trying not to perpetuate them in finding ways that you know when we are you know raising kids or when we're talking to new people or trying to create new connections we're doing it from the space of like acceptance and openness that I know that I didn't I have when I was growing up and so I think that that that level of healing is just like you know healing a piece of humanity if you're like willing to approach things in that way yeah because it's like you have you know one person where it's you're healing you're you're doing what you're supposed to do then you have you know another person that isn't doing what they're supposed to do um say like back when I was growing up it would be like kind of like you feared your parents almost you know what I mean like you you you're not doing what you're supposed to do you kind of feel your parents like you know the hold the the belt the what is it like the belt the wood spoon you know whatever you know what I mean now it's like you don't you don't want your kids to fear you that's not love you know you want to explain expl things to them you know they're more aware and resilient and older than what they L us on to be you know and a lot of this a lot of the generation are old souls so they are a lot smarter than us because they've been around a lot longer and um you know you're trying now you're trying to get that healing from Love and not fear that is one of the generational curses you know and that is that is something that is amazing cuz you shouldn't have to fear your parents you know to get something done you should be able to talk to your children and explain to them like I don't like that you do this this is why and this could happen but I'm going to leave it you know you let them make the decision because that they know it's on them you can guide them so much but you know you got to let them make their own way because how are they going to learn if they don't yeah it is interesting I think there's definitely been a shift in the way that we parent as um I don't I don't know how old you are I'm for I'm in my 40s I'm 41 almost I'm 45 versus I think the way that we were parented like it seems like previous generations looked at their children as their property I made you so you will do what I say your mind you control and this is how it's going to be I brought you into this world I can take you out of it I heard wish had and we as parents are like actually no you don't belong to me you belong to yourself and wherever you came from in The Ether I'm just blessed to have you for a short period of time and I'm going to use that to the best of my ability to give you the knowledge that I have and hopefully set you on a good path to guide you to where you're supposed to be and it's a very interesting thing that we have learned to parent that way and probably because of the way we were parented for sure with that kind of you're going to do what I say no matter what and we're like that didn't work for me all that made me do was Rebel and lie like that didn't teach me how to trust you as a parent or it didn't make me love you more as a child like it didn't do any of the things that you thought it was going to do so I'm certainly not going to parent in that same way um I mean it is sad that like a whole generation of people had to go through that to get to a point where we can parent with Grace and understanding and patience and kindness towards these little Souls that are here with us um but I love it I love to see so many people say that exact thing that you were saying um I think it's so important and says a lot about the way that we how hopeful we are in the way that we want the future of this planet to be yeah and you know the more I went on my journey the more I realized like you guys I'm sure you guys realized too that it's the more you go on the journey the more you see how much you've changed like how things shouldn't have been that way back then like they just shouldn't have you know and all avoidable yeah you know and I have such a close relationship with my son like I didn't have that with my parents I know I feel like for me it we're as a society also kind of making this shift to a point where we're appreciating that everybody has an individualism that everybody thinks differently that everybody learns differently and I really like that you know it's it's definitely slower as Society is doing it but there is space for it and there are people who are trying to make that difference and I feel like you know the more that communities are accepting that our individual likess is also our strength in a community we're going to only grow stronger in communities and so that's why at the very least I know I love like the Witchcraft community because to me it's always this you know accepting place of I mean there's definitely spaces that there are is gatekeeping or um an expectation of like a definition but so many of the people I meet in the day toay are so accepting and loving of everyone creating their own path and you know making it their own and we're all growing and and learning from each other while also like everyone's just defining for themselves like which aspects work for them and I think that's beautiful and like I really think it's the basis of a successful Community is to you know have that kind of individualism being uplifted while also like not making you be ostracized because of it exactly I love helping people the way that I do and it it's awful that people do get ostracized for it and that's why people are so afraid and but one of these days you're just gonna be like you know what I don't care what anybody else says and I'm just gonna do me and then that day it's like liberating it really is I can I can help you get there you know um it you know I've even like some some of my clients have had their kids read you know especially teenagers because they're going through a lot of different hormones and a lot of different um feelings and you know reading their soul cards and guiding them on you know different things and and keeping their chakras open and you know that helps a lot too what's some advice that you would give to maybe a new person waking up or just remembering again set boundaries ground set boundaries by saying what you will and will not do how you want Spirit to come in how you want to be taught um like me I'm a visual learner so Spirit knew in order to get to me I ask them if they can you know give me send me to things so they would send me to movies and and um TV shows and podcasts and YouTube channels and um a lot of um the ticktock or you know like psychics on there or you know just different things to open me up and um seeing the signs you know it is it can be overwhelming but even if you start seeing a bunch of different numbers coming through like all at once as long as you get one of those numbers that's all that matters spirit's just trying to get your attention as long as you read one you know what I mean they they're just going to keep throwing them at you but just until you get like that one message that they want you to hear you know so don't think like you have to read like if you're seeing like 10 license plates or you know you keep looking at the clock and you have all these different numbers you know don't think you have to get all 10 you know just one and um trust as hard as it is just trust and practice I think that's the hardest one yeah it is it is the hardest one yeah I know for me I'm glad that you said that because I know for me when I was going through that the first time um it it does kind of put you like in this oh if I don't get it I'm gonna miss it and then it's going to be gone not true like it will it's it's not going to ever be gone right you know so it's I'm glad that you said that cuz I do think that a lot of people especially if it's their first time going through something like that it can really put you into kind of like a panic first of all you're like what the hell is going on but then also once you start to catch on what's going on you're like oh my God it's happening so fast and if I don't keep up with it then it's going to all go away yeah like people don't even realize it sometimes like you said um you could be gravitating towards a certain fruit or a certain vegetable that you've been eating a lot of or all of a sudden you're eating a lot of salads well guess what your hot chakras needing some work cuz the call you know what we eat helps our chakras too so it's like it's all behind the scenes so you don't even realize it yeah and you know Spirits just wants you to awaken you more and I think the best thing to do too is automatic writing that's another good one can you tell people what that means um you just get a pen pencil and just notebook just hold the pen Loosely clar your mind and just let just start doodling and see what happens see what flows and then you'll just start writing and then a lot of the times you'll get your message yeah that's awesome um I I haven't done automatic writing in that sense but I have done like the morning Pages practice mhm and that helped me cuz I'm I'm so bad at getting out of my head that like just kind of writing down those first messages that came to my mind and just like it letting myself get interrupted um I feel like was what helped me start to get to the point of like where I could possibly do automatic writing yeah was like I practice my morning pages of just like letting information flow from me to a paper without caring what it says or what it looks like and then that's when I was like oh I'm like one step away from automatic writing in letting information that's not just in my head come out you know kind of things so that's another thing too is that you can get confused you know when you when you keep all that energy and people you know you don't realize it and you have it makes you more confused so doing the right helps release that energy which would then make you clearer I was just going to say that it like opens up that space takes all that static out to like clear that channel yeah I've had to lot like I I don't want to say I was alone on my journey because I wasn't but Spirit like Spirit has taught me a lot they've guided me through everything and I've trusted my intuition and that's another big thing just trust your intuition yeah you know and there's ways you know I even uh for Spirit guides for instance like I had a hard time differentiating my higher self or my Spirit guides to my thoughts so I said all right my my higher s my higher self talks in a Southern accent I said can you talk in a Southern accent please so I can differentiate you and me and me and you love that and then to get to meet um my Spirit guides and to get stronger with them um you know I'd say right Spirit what are we going to wear today and then they pick out the outfit and whatever color it was I'm like all right it would I guess I'm if it's green up needed more you know in my heart you know I need people need healing in the heart or um you know and then you just start talking to them and ask them their names and then that's when the writing comes in or something if you're C audient and then that comes comes in um but that's how you can get to know them too even if you're not clear audient yet you can you'll be guided like it's literally like if you're guided to something you know you just I don't think people realize how guided you really are in life if until you stop and look like that control yes like that thought in your head that's just constant like does not stop but people don't realize it but guess what it's guiding you to something that you need and you don't even realize it yeah yeah I think people the one that I notice the most in other people like if someone I'll be like oh you should really watch the show it's a great show and someone will be like you know what you're like the third person to tell me that I'll be like you have to watch the show that like what are you waiting for there's a message in there somewhere for you yeah yeah it's true like and it's funny like they have me watch all different different kinds of shows like when they'd have me watch different wit shows they'd have me watch different medium shows they'd have me watch different um like things back um like Atlantis and you know Egyptian days and you know so they had me doing a lot of different research to get to where I am today so I think another thing I can say mainly is just like be more open really really open your eyes and your ear just really look at your surroundings people are so this nowadays it's like they don't stop to really see what's around him and and Tech is good yes but it's also not that good because it it takes away from you know people actually observing their surroundings it's so funny I saw a I think it was an Instagram or it might have been on Tik Tok of this guy that like caught of like wood Fay on camera um and everyone's like oh that's CGI that's fake whatever you can believe what you want but it what it made me think inside was like I wonder if like all of these creatures are becoming more Brave to come out because they're realizing that like we're not paying attention walking down the street two out of a hundred people are going to look up yeah people aren't going to notice anyway and I was like a it's so fascinating so now every time I'm outside I'm like I'm gonna find you you better be stepping into circles ma'am just from afar yeah I'm reading the encyclopedia fairies right now it's so oh that's awesome you know they say you put pollen on your on your lip you'll be able to see fairies I read it in one of my fairy books put what on pollen if you pollen from flowers and you rub it on your eyelids but unfortunately I have allergies so I'm before Fair probably designed that we all have allergies fairies love honey and milk I usually leave a little bit of Honey on um one of the pine trees out back in in my yard and sometimes I'll leave them like a little like a little um like shot glass like this of um milk cuz they love milk and honey yeah they also like time too talking about the players always makes me think like there are so many different ways to interpret those things too where you said that like people almost are kind of missing things it can easily be because they're not paying attention like you're like you're saying as well cat but it also I think a lot of it is people effect a grand facade like they want to hear that Audible Voice when it's like your CLA audience might just be a song on the radio that says a phrase that's like oh I should call my mom you know and it's those are how your messages are coming through so it it can be seamless parts of our environment that are bringing those messages like oh I've seen five orange cars today you know or something like that that like that's Clairvoyance right or like letters start to pop out at you and it's like oh yeah that's that's a form of Clairvoyance you're not going to you know some people are going to see like a person stand there and tell them something where like you might just notice some numbers that are starting to stick out like they almost look like they're glowing to you or a word looks like it's like jumping off of a page and I think that because I think there are some people who are just living that way not recognizing that that's how they're getting their intuitive hits yeah I know that as someone who is also CLA cognizant like as one of my biggest Claire's I was following the voice in my head thinking that it's like oh these are my thoughts and then I'd be like it's kind of weird how my thoughts would know that like that company was going to lay people off you know and so like oh maybe there is something more and then when I learned what CLA cognizance was I was like oh my gosh like that explains so much of why you know I was like huh she's kind of smart I don't think that's me like this is definitely information that I don't possess but is appearing in my brain yeah and so it was yeah it once I learned about it I was like oh my gosh like I need to develop thish but like I said before too like you can bring it in as quickly or as slowly as you want to with your own um expectations and at your pace you know you just need to let them know like the first thing that you feel the energies like I would do um like I would sense feeling different energies like I would pick one spirit guide to work with and then I ask to feel their energy and then talk to them a little bit get to know them and then you know I keep going until I felt like the different eny than like I I have so many people on the other side like I have more family on the other side than I do here so I also worked a lot with them like my grandmother my mom my dad my grandmother my aunt like and then the different energies um of Spirit guides and like Leo he's my lion he's one of my Spirit guides um I can always feel his paw on my shoulder when I call him or he's around like I feel like a heaviness on my paw I mean on my shoulder from his paw um 13 1333 as I said that threes have been coming up for me nonstop yeah your angel your ascended masters are with you they're trying to open you up I was just gonna ask is there any like last things that you like want to say to everybody or anything you want to share I don't know parting words uh I just wish everybody much happiness um and Joy on their spiritual journey I know it's not the easiest especially the Dark Night of the soul but it is so rewarding at the end um the way you feel just free and without judgment and just enlightened I wish for everyone to get there and if they want help and you find me at evolving 8 energy.com for readings energy healings I can help you do you do social medias I do um I have Spirit hasn't guided me recently I think I don't think I've been on there in like seven eight months because they had me doing other stuff so um I'm G to start doing that again I've been guided to do it around the moons um so um I'm not going to be like the typical every single day reading that people do I'm pretty much gonna go like either around like the full moon or if they said like if someone needs to really hear something that they're GNA put me on they're G to have me sa message but I've been us I've been doing more of um the way I get through to people is word of mouth and in person whether it's at the grocery store or a client or you know on video yeah no matter how far you away I can still pick up your energy that crazy but I could you couldn't see anything but you're all the way over there and I'm all the way on the East Coast it's amazing how energy works absolutely it does I always try to tell people about distance healing and like how does that work like it's like the internet like you just like Google in a face and a name and you can pick up energy it's kind of the same yeah yeah it's like radio waves yeah like I'm sending radio waves just sending them back to me I love that I'm definitely going to be contacting you for a session talk all right yeah that's awesome I love it I loved meeting you and you just had so much to share and I love kind of the witch Outlook because I feel like sometimes people who see themselves as healers don't necessarily accept like kind of that Wich aspect of things and so I really appreciated that you know Duality and the balance of you know which isn't bad you can like which is our healers do so I like that absolutely you know and it shouldn't be looked upon as bad like you said you know it's healing sot you want to name me something else instead of a witch cuz I use herbs but there's a lot of things that you can do you know when you're not going to cook any anymore just stop putting spices in your food people it's so boring take SP they're trying to distance thems from a stereotype we only use salt and pepper yes that's magic too yeah but no I mean I'd love to help you know come on could talk about anything I could talk about crystals I could talk about candle magic I could talk about herbs and spices I can talk about how you know to strengthen your gifts or how to even embrace your gifts you know yeah I you know I try to teach as much as I can it to get people more awakened to their higher self so anything I can do to help is what I'm here for it's my purpose awesome it's my my mission in life and I choose to accept it oh yeah yeah thank you so much for joining us and like thank you yeah that's amazing of you to come and share with us thank you so much you're welcome thank you thanks for joining the all podcast to find out more you can find us online at academyof logic andl light.org or on Facebook YouTube Instagram and Tik Tok at Academy of logic and light if you live in the Salt Lake Valley we'd love to see you at one of our upcoming events and don't forget to support our growth by joining our patreon until next time lead with logic and Light