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welcome to the all podcast we're the Academy of logic and light I'm Megan I'm Kat I'm Julie we are an ethical Community Education platform that provides a safe space for people to practice their spirituality without indoctrination I love the idea of podcasts I'm so glad we're here it's like talking yeah and it's fun to not just be here but like to have a way that we be sharing with the community because I know that it was like a whirlwind for a minute and there was too much communication and then it got dialed back to maybe too little and so I'm glad that we're getting back out there it feels good yeah it feels really good yeah and that's like my ideas are not stopping so if I ever see manic just tell me to calm the [ __ ] down because there's my idea is just never stop no yeah it feels good to have them back yeah yeah they were on pause I I was so Saturn is like anyway something or whatever the plans for doing something Saturn and Pluto are like having a moment but they were like if you're they were describing all of these things and they're like if you felt like you've been stuck in a rut like this is a time of like Clarity that you might notice and and then it was like especially if you're like one of one of these two signs and one of them was Capricorn and I was like that's what Julie needed yeah now that mercury is like direct too it's like oh [ __ ] yes finally the shadow period's gone like we couldn't have planned this better it literally ended on the 31st yeah especially with all this technology Anything could happen so yeah yeah and it would yeah it definitely would it already is yeah we didn't need it set up like in 15 minutes next time yeah yeah perfect yeah should we introduce ourselves like as this right we are yeah sure why not okay so we're the Academy of logic and light I'm Megan cat Julie and we are I don't know we've been around we've been around we've been around even though it doesn't look like it sometimes yeah we've been here uh we're uh doing our monthly new moons um for the community where we are presents and local and um trying to bring in fun activities for the community um trying to incorporate local businesses and growing through things that way and then um building our education platform from scratch which is super fun it is fun like I'm enjoying this actually I'm having a blast with you guys and first getting to know y'all more each time and every event y'all there's so many like layers and yeah it's been fun yes and like literally learning all of this stuff from scratch was has been insane like wow yeah yeah yeah it's been yeah a whirlwind a world one they're like you're building a school and they're like where is it I'm like you have to start way before before the physical stuff welcome to the internet yeah right now we're here yeah on the couch yeah yeah exactly where it's safe I agree I think that it's been so fun and awesome it is a little bit like climbing a mountain when you've never climbed a mountain and you don't know how any of the gear Works yes so it is a step forward a step back to forward one back sometimes five back and then a Leap Forward yeah I definitely think over the last year we have learned so much and grown so much that we really have solid footing on where we want to go yeah and what we are building yeah and it's every time I think about it like it's one of the things that I just just lights me up like I'm so excited um which is awesome in a world where a lot of things are not so exciting and I'm excited that we're finally reaching a point where we are almost like a day or two away from adding other Educators and getting classes started yeah which will be so awesome so excited yes it's going to be so bad Yes actually numerology came in today human design came in today and one other thing so those will be really cool platforms to keep adding in yeah I feel like we've been doing good stuff and I it's it's been a mountain climb you say and it's like we're all just trying to spot each other but we're all trying to stay on the mountain and one of us Falls and we're pulling each other back up and it's you know but that it feels like the work that needs to be done and I feel like sometimes it's so hard to there are just more challenges right because it's it's not been out there it's not been accessible and people have been really missing those things and because of that we get this chance and this opportunity to like help move forward with that community and you know because it's not the average or what you expect it feels like there's been more hurdles than necessary for sure yeah especially because there isn't another platform or school like the one that we're trying to create so we don't really have an example of like oh yeah this is how to make these things work we're just figuring it out as we go then it's funny because every time we explain it to someone they're like yeah I promise this is much cooler than I'm making it sound it makes sense in here yeah trust me yeah you're gonna love it right but it doesn't exist yet yeah yeah yeah um silly question do you guys have do you hear your a voice in your head yes a couple yeah isn't it telling your voice yes okay yeah I think my I sometimes like I think when I speak to myself as a you it's like my higher self and when I'm speaking to myself as an eye it's like my ego so like yeah there is two voices yeah then I have to differentiate because one is so much Ruder than the other and one is actually I think the higher self one is actually the rudest because she's like get it together for sure we've done this like why are you doing this again you know but yeah there's definitely there's definitely voices that's so interesting because mine's opposite interesting when I think about it like my eye is my higher self and my you is my ego oh I wish you need to get your [ __ ] together and I'm like listen [ __ ] together as it can be today yeah oh yeah this weird thing where like I didn't ever knew this happened until my kids pointed out where I will change my voice when I'm talking to myself oh do you guys talk to yourself out loud yes um I think I do because there's no one to confirm it yeah sometimes oh they definitely get confused yeah but I'll do this like weird thing where I'll be like I'm like just talking normal and I'll be like but did I do those things and like totally do this some weird thing and my kids will be like who are you talking to like that and I'm like well myself who invited you oh my god do you yeah so I it's just someone asked me the question and they were like is it your own voice and I was like I talked to myself so much out loud that she's in here too like I don't know which one's the cause and effect of each other but I'm like I talk too much like my processing is like getting it out and so for me like I think that's why that's the voice in my head is because yeah it's the exiting that is what processes for me yeah which I think is super healthy and important yeah that's so interesting because I have heard people say that they don't have a voice and I'm like interested my friend she has my friend of a friend of a friend who knows um but they only see pictures is how they said they see everything that's really interesting yeah I'm like that's so hieroglyphics are not as efficient it's 20 23. yeah what yeah well okay or maybe it's emojis modern day hieroglyphics yeah yeah I guess that's fair yeah they definitely do and that's funny what brought us all to this point I guess yeah today Drive Vision yeah creating this School form do you want to go first you go first um so for me it really started in 2016 when I was in massage therapy school um well I went to massage therapy school because of a car accident that I was in in 2012. and I think this story is so Universal so many people have an incident that happens that doesn't just create like physical trauma but creates emotional trauma and you cannot find reprieve you know you're kind of gas lit by Western medicine um and so I just kind of went on this journey of like there has to be something that exists you know and obviously I knew about holistic health and um things like that my mom was always kind of like a kitchen witch type person and um was really into like herbs and healing within the home but not so much with the physical body you know bones and muscles and structure and stuff like that um and so I went down this path of trying to find something that was going to help which is what led me to Crystal healing and um I actually got certified as a crystal healer in 2014 and while I was in that class I met a lady that did that does Emotion Code if you know what that is and so I worked with her she was also a practice is a practicing Shaman um and that experience changed my whole trajectory and vision of life you know when you have those kinds of experiences that just shatter what you thought you knew about the world or what God is and all those types of things it's hard at the same time that you're like I have never seen anything more clearly than I see it in this moment which is such an interesting dichotomy you know but I think that that's very common for people to go through as they are on these paths um so as I was working through all of that I was like I really think I want to be an emotion code practitioner and so I was kind of looking into that it's hard to become a practitioner of something like that without also having a license to put your hands on somebody's body there's a lot of liability that can come with those types of practices and also I didn't I love the energetic aspect of it but in my experience and what I came to know is that energy gets trapped in the physical if you can't work on the physical body at the same time as the energetic body it just repeats it's still there it your body still holds for it just Cycles so then I went to massage therapy school so while I was in massage therapy school um there was another student that we kind of were having these conversations about how we got to that point and how it took us years to get to that point and that you know like I wish there was a place where I could where all of this was that I could just have a trustworthy place to be like okay I I'm having this issue I don't know enough about this I don't know how to solve this problem where do I go because you know like back and this was years ago like this was in 2016 so even back then it was more fragmented than it is now I think it's getting smaller some of that's good some of it's bad that can be a different conversation but it was so fragmented in the way that different lessons could be where you could go to find help a teacher or a practitioner so he and I actually went and looked at the Warm Springs building on Beck Street in North Salt Lake I don't know if you guys are familiar with that building it's the history of that building is phenomenal on you Indian sacred ground and of course then it was colonized and it became a Bohemian Bath House in the 1900s and then it became like a community pool there's a natural Warm Springs that once I remember you telling me about this to the building and then it kind of went into disrepair in the 80s and 90s it was the Children's Museum and then when the Children's Museum moved to the Gateway in the early 2000s that building just was completely okay um which is so sad but it's on the historical registry and so they couldn't tear it down nothing could be done with it but it was zoned park space and so it was a huge issue and back then the city put it out to be to bid to have people do something with the property and there was a developer that wanted to come in of course turn it into apartments and the community of marmalade was like absolutely not and so we were like we would love to turn into a community center open the pools have rooms for practitioners a classroom you could put a garden on the roof a restaurant like the building is huge it's it's a very large building but it's in such bad condition it would be millions of dollars to get up even just to code let alone putting anything else in it that you want functional so that kind of died so that really sparked a passion in me of wanting to create a safe space for people to be able to find especially if you're going through a current trauma then you also have struggling to find support or help or information or a practitioner or whatever it is so after all that happened I just sat with it for a few years and different things came up here and there that just didn't align and then there's nothing wrong with that it just wasn't what I needed and then probably like some of you heard the call that came out from Julie and I was like okay finally I've been asking for this for so long if this is something that is on my path I cannot do it alone we have to I have to have we have to have a team um so I met with Julie and over the last year it's just blossomed and bloomed and that's yeah that's crazy yeah crazy and that's the story of how I got to this point yeah yeah I love it but yeah thank you okay yeah okay what brought you here why am I here well I got in my car today um so getting to this point and starting the academy really was um a lot like it was a a really long journey but not a long time like it's so time feels is dilated this whole experience has just like changed my perception of it and the way that things are going so I in I think it was 2020 I got this planner and it asked a whole bunch of different like areas of your life for you to focus on and think about and then just kind of brainstorm and it used connection as one of them and it kept bringing up like what are your community goals and I was like what a weird question like I'm not thinking about Community like I want to make a million dollars and I want to get to next Tuesday and like we'll just go from there and so I was like what a weird thing and I was going kind of through like a best friend breakup at the time and so every time Community came up I was having the hardest time being in a community that I felt safe in because I had just left a religion a while before and was still dealing with the Fallout of those people in my life and um it was more like the relationships that I had that really affected my was the hardest part about leaving religion for me I felt so free like personally and it was so hard that the people in my life were not embracing like free choice Megan like and so it was really hard for me um going through that and it was a really like slow long journey and this was kind of at the bottom of that Journey when I was like what community like I don't know what's out there and um so I I was answering all these questions and you know brainstorming all the different things and then let's see if I can find the community section Maybe Community Connection and it just asked questions like um what are your friendships like what do you do together and I was like thanks thank you for that too soon yeah I was like no I'm trying to get better why would you ask me to focus on that and then I um asks about um like everyday life stuff but then it goes on to say so it asked us all about friendship for the first six questions and then it says describe your community and I was like oh Community is adjacent to Friendship but it's not only friendship and so I was like that's that's really interesting and so I started um just kind of going through and it asks how do you engage with your community and I wrote down and these were just questions that I had never thought before and I was at the super low point where I was missing the community in my life and I was like oh okay let's see where we're going and so I just kind of wrote and like the there's my response volunteer work going out and making friends asking for help and helping top sorry taking classes and teaching um was how I was like oh this is where I fit in in my community and then um weirdly in my ask for your like purpose instead of a word of the year or anything it says what's your purpose um and I wrote two purposes one is my purpose is to raise contributing members of society very important and then my second purpose I wrote to spread freedom and help others know themselves which there I was at like the super low point where I felt like I didn't have Community after learning that you know about manifestation I realized that's what I was doing in this process questions I had never asked myself or even thought of and I was just like huh what would that look like and I put myself in that situation and I wrote down this is what it looks like this is what I'm doing and then I um sorry I'm like getting Goosebumps because I haven't read that bit about like the volunteering and taking classes and stuff and so anyway I brought this because I knew I'd read that as my written that as my purpose but didn't realize how far it went yeah and so I like put myself in that place and was just like all right let's see what we're doing and you know it's been a few years since then and it total happenstance that I even found out about this group I was just you know trying to be in that community on like a Facebook group and I saw Julie post once and I was like I'm not available for this one like bummer and you were like we're holding more or like join my group and so I joined the group and I went to the next one and it was just a beautiful example of people sharing their gifts and it was just a safe space where everyone was encouraged to be themselves and to connect and their was um like the I know that the efficacy of the school has really been stressed and I think that that created the space that I went into that day and felt so just like healed by I went into that space and um everyone was just open and sharing and as like I would not have gone into it thinking oh we need more ethical spaces because I was relatively new to everything and so but I could feel the difference because I've been to many classes and like worked into different groups and stuff that have just been these you know open or free groups and when I went into that moon circle the feelings the like just everyone was working together but also like it was everyone's individualness was shining and that was what was important in the group it wasn't like oh look we're a homogeneous like group and we all believe in practice and do the same thing it was the way that the spotlight was shined on everyone's talents and that helped so much and I was just like I left and I have a friend who I was kind of like dabbling and doing like a moon circle or something with and I was just like this is the best like this is these are the best people this was about and she's the one that owns the Airbnb that I was like hey um you like she this was such a good space and like they're looking to collaborate with people I think that we should at least collaborate with them and like see what's going on and and so then I went to I don't think I made it to any other Moon circles but I remember just kind of communicating with Julie and I was like hey I'll do another I'll do your next moon circle and um it was a lot of prep and I was like okay I'm gonna figure this out but I had such a good time and um really enjoyed like just being able to volunteer and like put something together and it just like was was the greatest space and like group to work with and like um and I just appreciated all of the Vibes and I appreciated all the people who were just coming together as a community because um I like I've built my community up but seen it come together like that was I was like this is the space that people need this is a place that I needed when I was in my big life transition and I don't think that everyone needs to go through a crisis to get to this point but I do think that there are people in crisis who are looking for this and I think it makes me happy to be part of a space where people can land in a safety net and they're not getting indoctrinated and brought into something that's not helpful something that's going to leave them you know into another Direction and I feel like here we just encourage so much authenticity yeah and there's no agenda yeah there's no agenda sometimes to a fault yeah bullet points we know exactly what we're doing oh yes and um so I just really was drawn into the community one thing I think of is when we were just on a phone call with one of our teachers and she was talking about her practice and wondering where to draw the line between her practice and her teaching and I and Cat I said it perfectly when she said we're not here to edit you you teach what you want we are the platform to deliver that message we aren't like going to say hey that we don't like we don't need to do that you know we're here to help encourage people you know obviously we do care about ethics yeah and so that's a a way that will help kind of make sure that our teachers are homogeneous in a way but it's we're not asking anyone to change who they are we want them to show up and be authentic and individual and we want to bring all those people together into the community and to help each other because that's what it's about yeah support and uplift yes what a concept yeah wild yeah um anyway I guess that's how I got here it was a crazy story it was mostly about how I met Julie at one moon circle and I was like and just The Vibes I'm I'm here because of the Vibes we're good and they still are and yeah I'm here to help curate Good Vibes oh I love that Vibe curator put that on a business card perfect yes I love it yeah okay what brought me here I guess I'll also go back to about 2016. um I was living in New York as a flight attendant and had a I was not dealing with my stuff I was not dealing with my stuff at all I was partying way too hard um I was starting to get a lot of injuries um and with those injuries they put me on a lot of pharmaceuticals which I didn't know anything about and yeah essentially I I ended up being on so many things that I shouldn't be alive to be perfectly honest um and that's also when I started realizing like I have a bigger purpose in life and I can't die until I fulfill my purpose which is uh also dangerous place to be when you know you can't die um so I was just literally traveling the world jumping on moving trains like very Reckless Behavior and I knew I had to make a change so I moved as far away from New York as possible to LA and um thought that maybe a change of scenery and friends would help but the work was on internal can't run from that and eventually I started making small transitions but the first time I started anything like spiritual as far as outside of religion um I had a tarot reading and I had never really had one before and basically the tarot cards told me if I didn't change my life I would die and I was like haha whatever and then um the second tarot reading I had told me if I didn't change my life that I would die and so then I was like okay made more changes and then um I just knew I needed an even bigger change and kind of pointed at a map and ended up in Utah and in a long long story shorter I drove to Utah overnight in a big storm I made it here didn't have anywhere to go didn't have any friends didn't even have winter clothes it was February and uh just literally found a basement apartment and I had been living in my car for a while so like things were rough and uh the third tarot reading also told me if I didn't change my life I'd Die so I was like all right we need to take these things serious and then I got to my my brand new apartment and it was super haunted and I've never really dealt with anything like that and gateway drug is that I on the same block of the house I was living there was a crystal store and I went and I was like what do you guys got for ghosts I need help and it was fine like I can co-exist but the ghost touched me and I'm like do not consent to touch I can't live like this I'd rather go back to my car um but anyways they were just so kind and patient and they were teaching me about these different crystals and she's like sleep with this one under your pillow this one for like women empowerment and I was like okay so gateway drug into the crystals and then slowly it turned into astrology and then I just couldn't get enough I was like oh wow this is amazing I literally took any class I could find online I've lived on udemy I lived on pretty much any YouTube I could get I was just absorbing as much information as possible and slowly dealing with my my internal stuff um and getting on the right track but uh I did a guided meditation through this class and I had a memory of when I was a kid that I knew I was going to be opening some sort of a women's Community Center when I was like 10. so much the fact that I remember drawing out floor plans on a piece of paper I knew details and I knew I didn't know to what capacity I was a child but I knew it was going to be something teaching women something to empower themselves to get out of bad situations which is kind of deep for a kid to be honest um so I kept going with it and then yeah one day it just hit me that I'm in Utah this is where we're supposed to we're like watching all these people coming out of different situations and trying to grow but there's no real once you leave the church there's just nothing telling you you're just out there and you could it could be dangerous there's some scary people that are looking to profit off people who are just looking to be led you know and you have to have a really strong sense of self so um yeah I just kept doing the work and kept learning and one day I just got a message from my Spirit guides to write a tick tock and record it and send it out on the first try and uh 25 000 views later and my emails were exploding and my phone was going crazy and I was like oh my God okay this is a lot more necessary than I even knew um and yeah we led us to this amazing space meeting amazing people on the same Journey so yeah that's the quick version of the story I love it yeah yeah no more death messages from the tarot cards yeah so get off my back yeah right I'm like okay no haunted yeah we're like living good now fingers crossed yeah destroy so now we know where we were yeah where are we going is building the platform and empowering teachers but also knowing that the teachers are students the students are teachers um building up people from literally the ground up people who have been forgotten people who have been hiding in the shadows people who are sitting on the outside of society like empowering all the people to become the best version of themselves um and just kind of get out there in depth Community part I know there's like a lot of people who practice this sort of spirituality that are more Hermits that have problems trusting because of hurt in the past so the goal is that we're building this safe space so that people can come feel that they can be authentic like you mentioned and feel safe to share their amazing gifts and talents in and also come and learn new things that's the present and then the going um is eventually to move this online platform to the actual physical location and be able to have how I see it in my head small um houses throughout the community of like community centers essentially like a spiritual gym safe space for pre people to practice their spirituality without being indoctrinated and come and be able to like read in silence um a lot of people have left one religion or something along those lines but want to continue their practice but can't do it at home with their family members so providing that physical space would be ideal having the classrooms in there having a free library that we don't have to move every single month to every part um our free um library and taking our donations for our unhomed um I don't want to call it a project but I guess a project could be the word our unhome projects for making our amenity kits and being involved more in the community that way but also teaching people how to cook for your gut health so that you can strengthen your intuition and just pretty basic things of farm to table because that is people are always asking me how is that spiritual I'm like that is the most spiritual what you feed your body is what you put out so teaching people that and then having the community space to eat together where a lot of people don't have that anymore family wise if they were rejected from their families for finding a new spiritual practice so that is essentially the longer longer term goal and hopefully this can be duplicated for other cities and um States so that we can keep growing and it looks like a grid system in my head that's the easiest way I can describe it but having these pockets of 15-minute intervals of 30 minutes away of having multiple houses you could go to and meet with people and have your sound baths or meditate in silence or go meet someone for the dinner there or something I'm rambling now there's so many Visions in my head of what it looks like yeah yeah but what does it look like for y'all I love that you brought up the way that the spiritual interacts with like the Practical in our lives and I think that that really embodies a lot of what to me is important to teach and like help people because you can have your own spiritual practice you and I mean that's kind of the goal like we're not saying join us for a coven we're saying come and let us help like Elevate each other's practices whatever it is and so I think it's really great that one we're just kind of accepting everyone no matter where they're at and like what they need but we're also giving them that safe space to be what they need and I also you know the idea that we're going to be able to do like Farm to Table stuff it doesn't you don't have to relate it directly to the spiritual like because our personal health is really going to reflect and just like Kat said when she was introducing and talking about her journey like if you can't release it from the physical and you can't process it physically the like you're just not gonna get the same flow and the same movement that really helps your spiritual your happiness like your mental health is also connected with everything and and I think that making it not a narrow space of oh just come here and we're gonna do magical stuff it's you know come here and we're going to help you be magical I love that I totally agree I think that we as this kind of I don't want to label it new age it's not the word but this alt Community really I think the pendulum swung so far into this space of wanting to be disconnected from being human like once you're enlightened then the rest of it doesn't matter and I think there's so much falsity in that we are here to be human that is the purpose of this existence in my opinion otherwise we wouldn't be in these human bodies and so there has to be a balance of learning how to be in your body and being okay with it even when you feel like you want to rip your skin off because it it doesn't feel comfortable yeah and there's so much to work through in the way that we've been conditioned to feel about our bodies and to feel about being human and what that means and how there's such a disconnect between I'm a spirit living inside of a body yeah sure but you're a body so right now be in the body own the body you know as well as you can this vessel is hugely important to that journey of whatever it is that's trying to get you to the next level so to ignore it is really yeah it's it's not helpful so I really love that in my mind I see a very similar Vision um but I look at as kind of like um I guess a beehive so a place that is everybody has a purpose and everybody is equally important there is no hierarchy really it you have to work in a symbiosis for the whole thing to work and then you know helping people be able to leave that Hive and create their own Hive over here and create their own Hive all over the place as a you know network of everybody working in a symbiotic relationship but having a place to come to to I need support about this I don't know how to do this because nobody knows how to do everything that's ridiculous and it's ridiculous that we've reached a place as a society where we feel ashamed to say I don't know because we we don't know right no one knows it yeah yeah and nobody can be an expert in in all things it's very rare to be an expert in one thing so I for sure I agree with that vision of you know holding space supporting uplifting creating and helping people to do that for themselves in their own practices in their own communities all over the world hopefully yeah at some point big big goals for sure yeah yeah yeah yeah well and I really love um kind of the event aspect of what we've been doing and trying to curate spaces like I think once we can have that like physical location that'll be really great but I think just kind of creating not only the safe space but like a space that people can come to to like have a specific experience so if you're a teacher and you're like oh I want this you know Retreat or I want to contribute to like this aspect of something and then we want like I would love to be the person who just helps connect all the dots of like let's have an awesome Retreat let's put five people together and like let's like go change lives and let's you know band together and I really am drawn because for me that was the part of the community that I wanted was like activity together and I love classes and teaching and just like finding different ways that we can make education like accessible to people because I've been looking like all over for an astrology class that I'm like oh I just really want to start one and it was all about like finding the teacher that was right for me and um the teacher I ended up going with has like a tuition plan that he was like oh yeah you know if you're worried about pricing like reach out to us and this is kind of where we wiggle room and you know we're gonna talk about it because and he always says no one should be practiced uh priced out of practicing an ancient like but anyway he's like we don't want anyone to be priced out of it and this is an ancient science this is knowledge that should be accessible if we were making these things accessible our communities are our spaces would be so much like sure it might get a little muddy but when there's gatekeeping it just stops the Curiosity and it stops the growth that's that's how I feel is there's so many times that like there's that line that you have to cross and you have to be a specific person to walk across that line and I feel like you know I'm here to break down those boundaries I want everyone to be able to get what they need and be supported where they are and you know there shouldn't be boundaries of you have to fit this mold to get in yeah yeah I think that's a really good point I think that it reminds me of when people say I don't want anyone to be offended by what I'm about to say this is all just my own opinion I'm just speaking for myself yeah but it reminds me of when people say things like you have to charge for the energetic exchange I don't agree with that I think that people have created a toxic relationship with money and they don't want to say I'm going to charge because I like money or I need money or I want money money is a necessity in the world that we live in there's nothing wrong with saying you like money or you want money at all I think the energetic exchange at least for me and why I want to educate people as much as I can without charging anybody anything first of all is because I have other revenues of income so I I'm I don't need that money but my energetic exchange is vertical it's not horizontal so the more I share the more I receive it's it's a flow that comes in from the top and out so I don't need the exchange to be on a horizontal platform and I think that there is a certain group of people that are in this culture that feel like that is where their energetic exchange comes from and so they charge extreme prices for information that should not be gatekeeped it's it's these these are a lot of these are ancient practices and they were freely taught and freely exchanged and practiced and it's kind of disheartening for me to see when that happens people that gatekeep and I do understand there's a component of you know when you've spent your own time and money and energy learning the practice and mastering the craft that you want to have some sort of reciprocation I'm I agree with that I think that's fine but I also think that some of that energetic exchange comes from the top down and you know to charge somebody twenty thousand dollars for a master class is inferiorated yeah yeah and I so to be able to create a space to share like they did in the ancient days to come together and practice and learn from each other and be able to grow and connect yeah I think it's a so amazing yeah yeah well and I think it's hard because we also are at least I've seen a lot of people who are just creating classes because they have you know collected enough data and now they're just trying to make money off of it and they're just like Mass producing courses and they're not trying to appeal to a specific audience or even teaching the most accurate information they're just putting it out there because it's what's making money it's what's hot right now it's what's in and um I think of that and I also like there is a hundred percent like I love what you said cat because you you should value yourself you should value the work and the time and the effort it took you to learn something but there is a big difference between because if you if your energy came from a like Financial exchange for me that is so hard so I just think of the inverse of that is somebody now paying for your energy that you wouldn't share it with you know like if you tie yourself financially to making that your energy exchange like someone can you know send you money and then you're like kind of almost just like that's where it's coming from right that's where your source is I think of like um the the predominant church here is the LDS church and I think of how they teach that love of money is bad but you know then ironic then yeah then it comes out that they've been hiding money and they have these huge stores of money and it just like this is in no way to say anyone who's part of the church is in the wrong but it's just so like I look at something like that that's just taking advantage and kind of talking out of both sides of their mouth and I really want to create that ethical and like just a place where people can go and they can trust that what they're putting in is benefiting who they are thinking you know and I really want to you know be able to create that space for people and help them you know feel comfortable in a community that they're not being taken advantage of yeah yeah and like transparency is going to be a really big part of what we do like financials but also every we're offering so much for free but then we're tearing it out at literally the most affordable levels possible yeah but I think transparency that's I think where the me and Daniel talked earlier today a little bit about how the Mormon Church ha is it is what it is but it also has been good for the community in certain aspects but I think the lack of transparency is really what kills it you know and like you said also talking out both sides of your mouth and it's not transparent at all no you know you guys don't love money but we love money yeah like what it's wrong for the yeah but you can't eat but we're gonna yeah yeah and that's not great yeah yeah but I yeah I think the goal is essentially like we all come together and build each other up and it's it's actually pretty simple it sounds so hard to explain to people sometimes because they're like what are you doing but they're waiting for the sales pitch they're waiting for how are you how is this person gonna indoctrinate me or take my money they're literally waiting for it and we're like that's that's it that's the whole thing we're doing and they're like glitches them yeah yeah yeah the uncomplicated makes people's brains be like wait it should be complicated it should be hard it's the worldwide West the simplest yeah we're sharing information yeah exactly transparently yeah yeah wow weird thanks for joining the all podcast to find out more you can find us online at Academy of logicandlight.org or on Facebook YouTube Instagram and Tick Tock at Academy of logic and light if you live in the Salt Lake Valley we'd love to see you at one of our upcoming events and don't forget to support our growth by joining our patreon until next time lead with logic and Light